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Asteroid searching by professionals new
      #2623304 - 09/04/08 11:18 AM

Since professionals take images of the sky rather than use eyeball to eyepiece, are there any specific telescope parameters that the professionals use when searching for NEAs and other threats?

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Re: Asteroid searching by professionals [Re: cpsTN]
      #2623451 - 09/04/08 12:31 PM

For any sky surveys a wide FOV is a desirable parameter to cover as much sky as possible on each exposure.
Check out this camera for sky surveys.

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Re: Asteroid searching by professionals new [Re: walt r]
      #2639298 - 09/12/08 08:48 PM

Wider is better but the key is taking exposures long enough so you can see movement. The smaller the scope and the dimmer the minor planet the longer your exposure will need to be. There are 2 example on my website. Both were on the brighter side and were imaged with either a 4" refractor or a 50mm finder.

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Re: Asteroid searching by professionals new [Re: JAT Observatory]
      #2639608 - 09/13/08 01:10 AM

It's rare that movement is recorded in any single exposure. The typical strategy of asteroid surveys is to image each piece of the sky several times (typically 3 to 5 exposures) over the course of an hour or so. Software compares the images and looks for evidence of an object changing position against the background stars. Observations can even be compared with the positions and paths of known minor bodies. With a matter of minutes, an object can be confirmed as real, checked against the database of known objects and, if a new discovery, reported to the Minor Planet Center.

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Re: Asteroid searching by professionals new [Re: BillFerris]
      #2639828 - 09/13/08 07:58 AM

Bill is absolutely correct, the process takes more than a single exposure. To visually detect a moving body a technique known as blink compare can be used. The process flashes or displays the images taken of an area in sequence. These images are taken hours or even day(s) apart. When played back or blinked moving bodies can be seen.

Again as Bill correctly pointed out there are software packages that will identify known minor planets within an image. Moving objects not identified in those maybe a new minor planet. I am a fan of Brian Warner's MPO Connections software as it helps automate the scope control and imaging process. It also contains the tools needed to perform Photometry, Astrometry as well as making reports to the MPC.

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Re: Asteroid searching by professionals new [Re: cpsTN]
      #2646037 - 09/16/08 05:22 PM

UKs top astromotrist Peter Birtwhistle uses a big Meade LX200 for his MP discoveries.

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