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markseibold
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Moon In Twilight 6.5 Days Old- New Scanned Image
      #2626745 - 09/06/08 02:32 AM


New image photographed in daylight today >

As I felt that I had not properly finished the last rendering of the moon, I had a little more time tonight with the ecliptic.

I started at 3:45 UT and hurried to finish at 5:00 UT in 1 hour and 15 minutes or until the horizon and trees obscured the image. I had planned to photograph in daylight but have submitted the post tonight with a photoflashed image. I will edit and re-submit tomorrow with a daylight photo with better even contrast.

Observation through a 10.1 inch Dobsonian with a 32mm plossl producing low power. Canson Mi Tientes pale blue #495 paper in medium tooth texture 20" X 24". The lunar disc is sketched at 10" in diameter. Stabilo and Eberhard Faber white chalk pencils were used for the moon. Nupastel cream white square stick pastel added at leading edge of lunar disc. Antique Prisma Color pastel chalks for rust and sepia colored clouds as they appeared at sunset. 72 degrees ambient temperature. Seeing was at 8 ~ 9/10 with light breeze, high cirro-stratus clouds softened the seeing at times.

*** I added the new photographed image today made under daylight for comparison if I may allow two images here. -Mark

Edited by markseibold (09/06/08 03:29 PM)


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Re: Moon In Twilight 6.5 Days Old new [Re: markseibold]
      #2626784 - 09/06/08 03:33 AM

Mark
All I can say is its beautiful. I like the way you captured the glistining on the highlights.

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Re: Moon In Twilight 6.5 Days Old new [Re: JimPie]
      #2629110 - 09/07/08 02:10 PM

Jim

Thanks for your kind compliments. I reread what I thought I wrote earlier and fogot to finally spellcheck.

The capturing of the highlights as “glistening” was possibly accidental and one of those things that artists in desperation of the passion to create will render in the process at the moment. I really did not know that I had grabbed the snow white chalk pencil when I scratched some of those terminator edge lit lines. I had intended to use only the cream white for an even appearance of the total disc overall. I am working in near dark now at the end of the sketch when the ambient twilight at my table has caused me to strain to see the paper as the moon is also going to be totally obscured by trees at the horizon within the next 10 minutes so I scrambled to quickly get in as much detail as I could. The light is changing fast. I had to move the entire table and the 10 inch Dob several times as the moon was now behind trees at my not so low horizon. The neighbors probably wondered why I had all my equipment scattered across the front yard. This guy is sitting at a folding card table and desk lamp with electric cord dangling out of the house with what some passersby asked is a cannon. What am I going to shoot at? was a question one night from a young kid at the sidewalk. I allow others to look briefly through the scope as I am strained for time.

The sky is going from a darker daylight blue to a gradual night sky within minutes now. This is the time of the twilight zone in art when things change very fast in relation to trying to capture a still image in art. It is also a fascinating few moments when an astro-photograph of the sky will still show a daylight- like sky blue yet it is seemingly full of stars in the final photo- See my Hale-Bopp photo in the gallery that shows this (It is two- One at just after sunset with a daylight blue sky and the one to the right is in a night sky just 30 minutes later.)

http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a109/markseibold/?action=view&current=_____Comet-Hale-Bopp-OverKaNeTa.jpg

But let me not stray into my past life of photography as that is for another forum.

As others have asked me to write a tutorial, this would take awhile for me to assemble something formidable and formal for the CN site here as I am temporarily not at home at his time. I really work with very little or no methodical approach. I allow to happen whatever will as I allow my senses and rules and laws to escape the moment. I throw wild abandon to the moonlight and the atmosphere seems to take over. Something other than what a few call talent may enter the picture on some nights. I later found these same words spoken by Picasso and Pollock. So it may be an acquired sense of many artists. Some of my friends refer to it as nonsense.

Also remember that the moons appearance although intrinsically static and appearing itself as unchanging; our view through the atmosphere is changing as it rides so low on the ecliptic this time of year. You have only a short time to capture it before it sets. The low horizon is full of volcanic pollution now, the local city air is gritty, the moon begins to turn a warmer yellow since you started sketching in daylight an hour ago. You may want to render that but the changing effect cannot really be recorded in time as it would in a slow time lapse motion film, so I want to add that at the risk of what some may call embellishment. I would ask them, are we embellishing a desire for the reality of life?

So the artist is at once revered for what he or she may do that creates a surreal and desirable and yet possibly realistic image in art, then suddenly rejected for being too aesthetic and possibly misconstrued as unscientific. I have seen artists diminished to nothing more than emotional beings and berated and labeled as “professionals.” Yet without emotion, would we be here doing these sketches at all?

What are you going to do tonight? Sketch again and again till you have so many of what some would call the same thing, yet every single sketch has some individuality of its own because the atmosphere and every moment from night to night changes constantly.

Practice makes perfect? I would say, practice makes more practice. Perfection is in the eye of the beholder.

Never give up!

Mark

“An artists work is never done; only abandoned.” -A telegram from Arthur C Clarke to Stanley Kubrick while n the making of 2001: A Space Odyssey

Edited by markseibold (09/07/08 06:41 PM)


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Re: Moon In Twilight 6.5 Days Old new [Re: markseibold]
      #2629162 - 09/07/08 02:50 PM

Nice work, Mark. Roland

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Re: Moon In Twilight 6.5 Days Old- New Scanned Ima new [Re: markseibold]
      #2629172 - 09/07/08 02:58 PM

That is just...well...awesome! I love the colors and the realistic look and ambiance of that sketch!

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Re: Moon In Twilight 6.5 Days Old- New Scanned Image new [Re: markseibold]
      #2629175 - 09/07/08 02:59 PM

A beautiful realistic sketch, Mark.

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Re: Moon In Twilight 6.5 Days Old- New Scanned Image new [Re: rodelaet]
      #2629864 - 09/07/08 10:10 PM

Mark,

Beautiful sketching. Your great talent continues to shine through in all your sketches. This is right up there with your very best.

Frank


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Re: Moon In Twilight 6.5 Days Old- New Scanned Image new [Re: frank5817]
      #2629893 - 09/07/08 10:29 PM

Frank, Rony, Wade, Roland and all

Thanks for all your kind words and praise. I do not mean to be so modest again about this one, but it is the similar story we hear so often; the moon set and this work remained unfinished.

I also forgot to mention earlier when I replied to Jim, as if I did not ramble on enough already, I made attempts to darken the craters shadows at the terminator and grabbed too dark into the grey chalk in the dark. This is an easy mistake for a developing artist on the moon rendered in daylight as the contrast is not quite that extreme, yet if you work into the stark changing light of night approaching, the mistake of adding too dark of grey in the the shadowed craters, it can destroy the daylight effect.


As an artist still new to render a daylight moon, I may be moving too fast to the night contrast yet. This is a great exercise of anyones talent to render a realistic daylight moon. It is very subtle at first and knowing when to stop when the light darkens to night is a real test of properly rendering this effect. - Mark

Edited by markseibold (09/07/08 10:30 PM)


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Re: Moon In Twilight 6.5 Days Old- New Scanned Ima new [Re: markseibold]
      #2630192 - 09/08/08 03:18 AM

Mark,

An outstanding and very realistic observation of a 6.5 day old Moon in twilight. The Moon appears to glow in your fine rendering. The cloud bands appears to flow around the Moon. Thank you for sharing this with us all.

Your images of Comet Hale-Bopp are excellent as well.

Carlos

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Re: Moon In Twilight 6.5 Days Old- New Scanned Ima new [Re: CarlosEH]
      #2645358 - 09/16/08 11:49 AM

Love it!!!

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Re: Moon In Twilight 6.5 Days Old- New Scanned Ima new [Re: CarlosEH]
      #2650050 - 09/18/08 04:00 PM

Carlos and DT

Thanks for your kind words of commendation.

Carlos; I used to do allot of astro-photography with a 35mm camera on a tripod only, no telescope except for an old 135mm lens for total solar eclipse photograhy in 1979. The Hale Bopp photo is one of many that I took back then. You might enjoy seing allot of my other photography if you are willing to see my whole life story at > (front page is two wide columns so scroll right after seeing all of the left column) >

www.myspace.com/marksolarprophet

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Re: Moon In Twilight 6.5 Days Old- New Scanned Ima new [Re: markseibold]
      #2652250 - 09/19/08 07:20 PM

Mark,

You have the highest admiration from me on your artistic and photographic talents as evident on your impressive web site. We are very fortunate on this forum to have your insight and experience to learn from. Thank you for sharing with us all.

Carlos

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Re: Moon In Twilight 6.5 Days Old- New Scanned Ima new [Re: CarlosEH]
      #2656680 - 09/22/08 02:55 PM

Mark,
your technique is beautiful and very realistic! there are so many great individual sketching styles on this forum, yours is one!

regards
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Re: Moon In Twilight 6.5 Days Old- New Scanned Ima new [Re: mike bacanin]
      #2656921 - 09/22/08 04:52 PM

Thanks again Carlos,

Mike

Thanks for your kind commendations. Although I think you should see my dark sky renderings of the moon too, as I think they have much more impact. I am guessing that you have not seen the forums for awhile so my recent works are a ways back down the archived list now. Rather than hog the posting area, I'll direct you to my gallery, especially pages 3 and 4 for the recent lunar images. - Mark >

http://www.cloudynights.com/photopost/showgallery.php?ppuser=37924&cat=500

*PS: OK, I'll risk reposting one or two of my favorites if that is allowable >





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