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kdlog
newbie
Reged: 09/21/08
Posts: 2
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Hello! I am a true beginner. I don't even think I've ever looked through a telescope before! BUT I have had a recent overwhelming fascination with the universe, and existence in general...and am BLOWN away by images I've seen on the internet. My husband and I are serious about getting a telescope. We have looked at review sites, and manufacture sites, but there are so many choices and so much information to take in.
Need help choosing a scope. We want the best viewing for the buck, and I'm guessing we're able to spend up to $1000 or so, but I'd really rather not if I can get one just as good for cheaper. We've been looking at the Orion Skyquest intelliscope XT8 or XT10 with object locator. We've also been looking at the Meade Lightbridge.
We are open for suggestions, or comments on these scopes. ANY info from people who actually have experience with telescopes is appreciated. That's why I came to this forum!
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cam1936
sage
Reged: 08/01/08
Posts: 240
Loc: Alberta, Canada
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If you don't intend on astrophotography a dob is a great bang for the buck. Get as big as one as you can handle/afford. (they are a lot bigger than they look in the pictures.) Those orion ones are great I hear. If you want to get into astrophotography later you can always buy a more suitable setup down the road.
-------------------- C8-SGT
Nikon 10x50 Action Ex
Canon 350D
Manfrotto tripod
Various EPs and accesories
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Protheus
Vaguely offended
   
Reged: 09/01/07
Posts: 4643
Loc: Illinois, US
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Just off the cuff, be sure you don't expect to see things that look just like the pictures people take. Some things are quite beautiful, but very few of them look like what you seen in hubble shots. I hope that doesn't put you off too much.
Welcome, too. I'll leave it to the people who have these things to comment on them, except to say that they seem to be quite well liked.
Chris
-------------------- "To tread the sharp edge of a sword;
to run on smooth-frozen ice,
one needs no footsteps to follow..."
"Well, people sometimes ask me 'how did you get involved in astronomy?' I said 'I got born, what's your problem?'" -- John Dobson
"In discussing the large-scale structure of the cosmos, astronomers sometimes say that space is curved, or that the universe is finite but unbounded. Whatever are they talking about?" -- Carl Sagan
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revnix
member
Reged: 09/15/08
Posts: 10
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Welcome! I would go with a dob and and make sure to print out some star maps! Even with that computer youre still gonna have to do the 2 star align I believe. I just bought the Orion XT10 and am very impressed with it. Get that with a couple good EP and youll be set, and under 1000$ (most likely =))
Edited by revnix (09/22/08 09:31 PM)
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letimotif
no complaints
   
Reged: 05/20/07
Posts: 1069
Loc: Far Flung Isles of Langerhans
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Hey kdlog (how does one pronounce that, anyway?),
Oh well, on to topics.
1. You don't show where you might be living these days. May I sincerely suggest you google for "xxxxxxx astronomy club" and see if there's one nearby? Clubs have friendly folks (no really, not at all like this forum), who often schedule public event star parties. There you'd get a chance to take a gander at a variety of scopes and understand thereby what you might expect to see with your own equipment.
2. On Amazon.com you can find Phil Harrington's book, Starware (about $14.13 if I remember correctly). His 4th edition is from 2007, and he does a fine job of explaining what's available and what accessories you might find useful. For your investment of $1,000, this book could be your most cost effective accessory.
3. Free software can help you learn a bit about the night sky easily: www.stellarium.org will let you download Stellarium, a free, easy to use, astronomical software package that can help you learn the night sky, and its presentation makes understanding where's what pretty easy.
Folks who've mentioned it already are right, the pictures in the books and on line are long time exposure images, often with large aperture equipment ($1,000s++). The greatest disappointment for many folks is realizing that only rarely will you ever see with your eye at an eyepiece the colors shown.
A couple of fun books to have are "Turn Left At Orion" and "Nightwatch". Great tools to learn the night sky and see what's up that you can actually see.
Think about the astro club idea, pick up Harrington's book, download Stellarium and you'll be on your way to years of enjoyment. I think it's great you both want to learn more. My wife and I continue to enjoy the sky together now that she's retired and has more time. I hope you find it at least as much fun as do we.
Clear skies.
-------------------- Celestron CPC 1100
Celestron C6R-GT
Orion 120ST
B&L Banner Astro 80mm
Astro Telescopes 'tis a mystery 80mm ED
Sundry Oddments
Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a Heaven for?
Ad astra per aspera
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wirenut
sage
Reged: 09/21/06
Posts: 464
Loc: m'dale Pa
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if you never looked thru a scope, I would suggest you browse some of our sketches in the sketches forum or member's galleries. This will give you idea of what to expect see. the scopes you looked at are good. The lightbridge design isnt needed for 8 or 10"scopes as solid tube designs will fit most cars. Ive used the xti 10 with object locator,it worked ok but you need to know the stars names you using to align it so it good to know the sky
-------------------- 8"GSO dob
8,17 mm hyperions & FT rings
21mm stratus
25,15,9 mm plossls
ultima barlow
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Patrick
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Reged: 05/16/03
Posts: 6778
Loc: Franklin, Ohio
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Hi kdlog and welcome to CN!
You surely can't go wrong with an XT8i or an XT10i. Both are excellent values and will show you a lot. The general rule is buy as much aperture as you can afford and are willing to carry.
As Protheus mentioned, a 'small' telescope will not show you what a long exposure photograph is capable of BUT you will be seeing it with your own eye in real time. Just being out under the stars is a wonderful thing.
Patrick
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Discovery 10" f/6 Split Tube Dob
Celestron C6 SCT
Denk Binoviewers
AT66ED Refractor
Oberwerk Ultra 15x70 Binocular
475B Geared Tripod & 501HDV Head
Oberwerk 9x60 Binocular
Celestron Regal 8x42 Binocular
Canon 30D DSLR
Mini EQ1
My Astronomy Pages
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Achernar
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Reged: 02/25/06
Posts: 3690
Loc: Alabama, USA
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First of all, unless you're looking at the Moon and planets, you are not going to see vivid colors like the ones in pictures or nebulae and galaxies we see in print, on television and on the internet. Even there, they'll often differ from the view you see in a telescope because the colors are computer enhanced. Those are long exposure photographs mostly taken with ultra-sensitive CCD cameras and special filters. Even in my 10-inch, most deep sky objects appear in shades of gray. However, you can see many star clusters, nebulae and galaxies are more than featureless blobs of light, just don't expect eye popping color from them. Seeing a galaxy that is over 400 million light years away in a 10-inch even if it's a faint fuzzy smudge is however something you'll never forget.
The telescopes you are considering are among the best choices for beginners. I can tell you from first hand experience that a German equatorial mount isn't easy to learn how to use correctly, especially when said user was a 12-year boy who could hardly lift the mount as I was as a 6th grader. An 8 or 10-inch Dob is a powerful telescope for all but the very faintest objects. No, it not what you'd use for hunting remote quasars and galaxy clusters, but it will get you through most of the NGC, a good many IC and many of the other objects listed in other catalogs from a good site. They will also show a lot on the planets, Jupiter, Saturn and when it's near opposition, Mars. Both will fit easily in many cars, and unless you have a real problem with lifting things, even the 10-inch can be handled by one person. You can also use a modified hand dolly to roll it right out the door and be observing in minutes. Be aware the object locators are only that, these telescope do not track. You'll find tracking manually is not difficult and you can put the telescope on a tracking platform as well.
I would ordinarily recommend an 8-inch to beginners, but if you plan to look at mainly galaxies and nebulae, the 10-inch will have a substantial advantage over an 8-inch, especially from a dark site. You will want to take either one to a dark site, because the objects they work best on either are invisible from cities are a pale shadow of what they look like from a dark site.
Whichever one you choose to buy, you will need a few other things too. A chair or stool to sit on is a necessity, along with a red filtered flashlight or a red LED light, a star atlas and a case to keep your accessories in. I usually recommend an 8-inch because you can also get these items and have funds left over to purchase a Barlow, narrow band nebula filter or additional eyepiece later. I would wait until you get familiar with your telescope and get some observing under your belt before buying accessories. Also, join a local club if one is near you. You can try all sorts of eyepieces, filters, even telescopes before buying one. A test drive can help you figure out what you're looking for and how much you are willing to spend. In fact, I would join a club before buying a telescope, but these Dobs are one of many good choices for beginners.
-------------------- 10-inch F/4.5 Discovery Dob
6-inch F/8 Homebuilt Dob
4 1/4-inch F/4 Homebuilt reflector
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tedbnh
super member
Reged: 11/14/07
Posts: 196
Loc: New Hampshire
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I have the XT8i and I love it. Many people opt for the 10" since the tube is about the same length and you get the extra aperture. But the 8" is a lot lighter, and the slower mirror (not dished as deeply) in the 8" will let give you less 'coma' effect. You will find the COL to be a big help when you are starting out, esp. on nights when you are without an experienced observer to help you locate things. You will have an awesome awesome time with either of these scopes.
-------------------- Ted
Hampton Beach, NH:
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WO Zenithstar 80 ED 545/6.8
Orion XT8i with COL 1200/5.9
Celestron C9.25 2350/10
Vixen GPD2
Hyperion 13mm, 5mm
TV 24mm Pan, 35mm Pan
Celestron XL 21mm, 40mm
Oberwerk 20x80
Stardust observing chair
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insinu8
sage
   
Reged: 01/22/08
Posts: 344
Loc: Sunnyvale, CA
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Welcome to CN 
Compared to the pictures you see on the web and in most boutique style books (you know the ones...for the coffee table, etc) the objects you see will be much smaller and in black & white (for the most part). It makes them no less magnificent to look at!
An 8-10" Dob is a fantastic first scope and within your budget. However, most people will spend multiples the price of the scope on accessories. Be prepared and budget accordingly. The list of accessories is almost endless. Some of them you can do without, some not.
Also, please buy at least one book and atlas to help you find your way around. Most would recommend NightWatch or Turn Left at Orion and the Sky & Telescope Pocket Atlas as good places to begin your journey.
Join your local astro club. Go to public star parties before and after you have your scope. Sharing knowledge and views is a great way to explore the universe.
-------------------- Christopher
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ED80
120ST (Moonlit)
NP127is
TMB 130SS
MN55 (Moonlit)
150MCT
TEC160ED (DOB: 11.06.08)
SN8
MN86
C9.25 (Moonlit)
XT10 Dob
Obsession 18"UC
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Bucephelus
professor emeritus
Reged: 04/20/06
Posts: 668
Loc: Northern, CA
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ALL first timers should make a visit to SeeIntoSpace.com
I would not recommend a Dob---too cumbersome. I really believe it is best to start small with something easy to set up that will be used often. Then, if your interest sustains, go bigger. Tracking is also an issue. As you learn to see, you'll want tracking. Dobs, even with the new tracking platforms, are marginal with tracking.
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