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rodelaet
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: Gandalf223]
      #2879509 - 01/21/09 03:55 PM

It certainly is a sketch to be proud of, Alan!

I would say that it was made with a keen eye and a steady hand.

Thank you for sharing it over here.

Have you been sketching a lot since the '60's, Alan?


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Gandalf223
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: rodelaet]
      #2880444 - 01/22/09 02:00 AM

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Have you been sketching a lot since the '60's, Alan?




Thanks for the kind remark! No, I've not been sketching at all since the '60's. I sort of lost track of astronomy for about 40 years, between work, kids and other hobbies. The past couple of years somehow saw my interest renewed, so now you all get to put up with me.


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rodelaet
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: Gandalf223]
      #2881278 - 01/22/09 02:49 PM

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The past couple of years somehow saw my interest renewed, so now you all get to put up with me.






Welcome back, Alan.


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markseibold
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: Gandalf223]
      #2881447 - 01/22/09 04:07 PM

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There's no way I can show my "very first" sketch; that was made over 40 years ago when I was a teenager. I'm sure it no longer exists.

Here's the first one I've made since the late 1960's, though.

Be gentle...
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Alan

Nice sketch of M1, the Crab Nebula. You have a similar story to mine about your early sketches as a teen forty years ago.

I think you are the first from my locale in Portland Oregon to respond here in the CN forums. Are you a Rose City Astronomy club member? Out of nearly a thousand club members, I remember only a few there who sketched. I'll look forward to seeing that you might pick up sketching again.

Mark
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Gandalf223
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: markseibold]
      #2882241 - 01/23/09 12:19 AM

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Be gentle...
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Alan

Nice sketch of M1, the Crab Nebula. You have a similar story to mine about your early sketches as a teen forty years ago.

I think you are the first from my locale in Portland Oregon to respond here in the CN forums. Are you a Rose City Astronomy club member? Out of nearly a thousand club members, I remember only a few there who sketched. I'll look forward to seeing that you might pick up sketching again.

Mark








Hi Mark,

Thanks (re: the sketch.)

No, I'm not part of the Rose City Astronomers. I was born in Portland and lived there through 6th grade, when my dad's job took us down the valley. I'm in the Salem area, and loosely affiliate myself with the NightSky45 club, although I have a long standing musical commitment that generally precludes attending NS45 meetings.

Alan


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Tom and Beth
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: rodelaet]
      #2887088 - 01/25/09 01:29 PM Attachment (108 downloads)

OK, you asked for it

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rodelaet
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: Tom and Beth]
      #2887331 - 01/25/09 04:02 PM

A very fine first sketch, Tom!

I hope that you had a good time while sketching?


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Tom and Beth
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: rodelaet]
      #2887487 - 01/25/09 05:25 PM

Yes, very much so. As a matter of fact, my wife commented on a renewed "excitement" in my voice.

There's some Logistical changes I'll have to make, such as dealing with reading glasses and aspects of lighting to deal with, but I found I was concentrating and observing the object more.

There is much to learn here.


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rodelaet
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: Tom and Beth]
      #2889355 - 01/26/09 04:06 PM

That's right, the proper tools will make the task much easier. And with every new sketch, you'll gain more experience and enjoy sketching even more.

Keep up the good work, Tom.

We look forward to more sketches from your hand.


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markseibold
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: rodelaet]
      #2890498 - 01/27/09 06:28 AM

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Hey Frank,

1964? 1964? I was'nt even born then!

Thank you for the sketch!




I think it is interesting to finally see the ages coming out. When Frank was sketching in 1964, I had just graduated from the forth grade in June, entering 5th grade in September 1964.

I could risk putting up here a recently retrieved sketch that I did in the early 6th grade in 1965. I think I had astronomy on my brain then at age 11 but this was totally imaginary and done from my desk in 6th grade class - I hope I am not too far off topic as this may give the other curious readers in CN the total expanse of my wild surreal mind at the time- Possibly an asteroid? - Mark >
My 11 Year Old Art From 6th Grade
*Note that we had just advanced from papyrus to modern school notebook paper! (;


Edited by markseibold (01/27/09 06:43 AM)


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colinsk
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: rodelaet]
      #2900536 - 01/31/09 08:33 PM Attachment (116 downloads)

Here is my first sketch. Sketched today in H-Alpha. It shows details of the chromospheric network over a tilting sun graphic for orientation. If you look closely around the limb there are some small prominences as well.

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rodelaet
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: colinsk]
      #2901145 - 02/01/09 06:37 AM

Hi Colin,

Congratulations with your first sketch.

Your approach is very interesting. I (and I'm sure other people as well) would like to know how you actually make this type of sketches, combined with the tilting sun graphic.

Thank you!


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colinsk
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: rodelaet]
      #2901563 - 02/01/09 11:47 AM

The chromospheric detail is quite interesting to me. Each line you see is really a pattern of slightly dark spots. When each of these dots rotates to the limb it is seen as a spicule (a very small spike). It is my opinion that the pattern of the dots is persistent over the course of hours or days even though each spicule averages a lifetime of 8 minutes. I am under the further assumption that the lines represent neutral places between magnetic fields.

I initially just wanted to record the locations of the proms so I printed a Tilting Sun Graphic from Wes Crowley's excellent program for my location, mount and scope. When I got to the EP I decided I would record the chromospheric network so that today I could see how much of it persisted for 24 hours. I used a very sharp #2 pencil as it was all I had out there. Having a softer pencil would have been easier in some ways.

Trying to find the locations of these very low contrast objects was a challenge so I divided the sun in to pieces in my mind by bisecting. So, starting with the northern hemisphere I started with a feature toward the center. Then 1/2 way between there and the limb I added the network. Over the course of an hour there were only a couple of places that I had not added. I focused on them and recorded those places. It was not an exact science and I will surely need more practice to get the details in the right place.

I set the telescope EP in the shade and left the objective in the sun. I was using a Vixen zoom EP and was at 12mm for most of the time (with a 500mm f/l .5A Lunt H-alpha scope). In moments of good seeing I could go to 9mm on the prominences. I found that even though I could see the entire sun in the field that I have a preference for where my eye is comfortable to view. I scanned my alt/az mount so that the area I was focusing on was just east of this field. As the sun would drift by I would start to get dark adapted and the detail would show it's self. This allowed me to find one or perhaps two lines worth of data. I would record it and go through the whole process all over.

Erix work has long facinated me and the only reason I thought to even try a sketch was because of her influence. The Mt Wilson daily sun spot drawings represent a style I think a non-artist like me can emulate. Here is an example here:

ftp://howard.astro.ucla.edu/pub/obs/drawings/2005/dr050914.jpg


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rodelaet
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: colinsk]
      #2902247 - 02/01/09 05:43 PM

Colin,

I'm impressed by your technique for recording these subtle details.

I look forward to more sketches from your hand.


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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: rodelaet]
      #2907580 - 02/04/09 01:10 PM

Colin, impressive sketch! Well done!

I do a similar sketch with each observation too and like to call them schematic sketches. They aren't close detail work of active regions or proms, but an overall sketch of the Sun to show what's going on.

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...I would start to get dark adapted and the detail would show it's self.




If you have a chance to try out some black paper with a white pencil or white pen, you might find that you can retain your dark adaption a little better because there won't be a glare on the paper from the Sun to blind you when you add to the sketch. I've pretty much stopped doing any h-alpha on white because of this. It's not so much of a problem with white light sketching.

As you know, prom details change by each moment and even though the changes are slight, I don't have the time to waste for my eyes to adapt again while capturing them. Using white paper can ruin my dark adaption for what feels likes a few minutes and by that time, the prom has changed and I find my myself having to erase or begin again...in other words, playing catch up with the prom.

I'm sure you know that Les has created the graphics in such a way to make the background black if you wanted to give it a try for your sketching. The Tilting Sun has been such a great tool for us and I can't thank Les enough for creating and sharing it with us all.

As for placements, I try to break the Sun down visually into sectors to help me with placement. It's usually easier for me to add the more prominent prominences first and then triangulate the rest of the features I need to add. To do this, I use the magnification that is best for seeing conditions but that also allows me to have the full globe in my FOV.

Do the Lunts have a nice flat field or are there sweet spots? I move my FOV around very slowly, tweaking the etalons in the process, as well as tweaking the magnifications to try to squeeze out as much detail as I can both for surface details and main features on the limb.

Anyway, those are a few of my tricks if they could be of any help. You've done a fantastic job and I'm looking forward to seeing more sketches of my favorite target!


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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: Erix]
      #2908962 - 02/05/09 05:01 AM

Thank you Erika. I am very lucky in that my lunt is almost perfectly on band across the entire field of view. I was sketching in a alt/az mount and I could let the sun drift all the way across before adjusting without loss of detail. I left the etalons in one place for the entire session. I will explore tunning them more when I have a more active sun and can really undestand what effect I am changing. I find I can change the surface detail a lot and perhaps not see more just different. I set the etalons for the brightest proms and went from there.

I did find it easier to layout the proms first and then go for the disk so I had a map. I don't think I can print onto black paper but perhaps I could print the graphic onto a piece of onion skin and flip it over the drawing in order to keep my bearings. I played with the colors and have come up with one that does not overwhelp my pencil so much. Perhaps if I use a blanket and a small red flashlight the dark adaption will be easier.

Thank you for your help and inspiration. I will have to keep practicing and see what I get.


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Agnotio
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: rodelaet]
      #2931084 - 02/16/09 01:24 PM

Here is a cropped view of my first astro sketch, from last night no less. For details see my thread



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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: Agnotio]
      #2931922 - 02/16/09 09:18 PM

Agnotio,

This is an amazing first sketch.

Frank


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Jef De Wit
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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: rodelaet]
      #2973175 - 03/09/09 08:06 AM Attachment (104 downloads)

Dear Rony
Here is my first attempt to make a real sketch. I started 3 years ago observing with a ETX-70. Your beautiful EP-impressions with this fine little scope (Some find it not a real telescope! Shame on them!) inspired me certainly to begin drawing. I really like your sketch of Kemble's Cascade.
The real trigger for starting (four months ago) to sketch was a new telescope (12" dobson) and the purchase of a scanner (inverted it looks so more beautiful). I almost did all the Messiers (still missing M70 and M83) with the ETX-70, so I set a new project. Why not sketching all the Caldwells (visible in Belgium)?
Caldwell 6 was the first. At that moment I didn't knew of a blending stump or a earstick. And scanning was almost a mystery to me. The sketch was made with a 12" dobson at x300 in my backyard. Hope you like it.

ps I'm not sure that the link to my gallerly will work (it's my first post!). - Can anybody explain how you make the link? I try to put the sketch in the mail.


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Re: Post your very first sketch over here! new [Re: Jef De Wit]
      #2973249 - 03/09/09 09:14 AM

I haven't checked this thread in a while, this is awesome stuff in here!!!

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