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turndalightsoff
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RE: Mr.Jones
Unbelievable... 
The thing is, people just won't understand until they see our side of it..
Last year when it snowed in Toronto, my backyard was lit up because of light reflecting off of it. I was like "Ooh that looks really pretty". Then this year I got into astronomy and now I realize how horrid that glow is. So most people who are unware could just be going...oooh, look the sky's orange, that looks real pretty, and not know what devastating effect it is having on the sky. We need to make people more aware of what is happening in the night sky. There's not enough news articles about, no seminars, no internet blogs, nothing... Then again one has to think to himself, will people really care...
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Edited by turndalightsoff (08/30/08 03:38 AM)
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Muffin Research
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I really wonder what the sky would have looked like on a good night in .... well any year before electricity and lightbulbs became widespread.
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ManuelJ
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Anyway, if the electricity gets very expensive, we will not be able to road to a dark sky site, unless we live out of the cities.
In my country, the darkest sky I have ever seen, includes LP in various zones going from 10º to 30º. I can even see my city at more than 200 miles!.
Furthermore, I can feel the change year by year, and that's a huge change in LP, if you think about it.
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Stardaug
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Reged: 08/03/08
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
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Scary stuff but that's population growth and urban sprawl for you. More people, more buildings, more streets, more lights. I remember 20 years ago I could see the milky way from my backyard... now I can't see it at all.
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csa/montana
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Quote:
I really wonder what the sky would have looked like on a good night in .... well any year before electricity and lightbulbs became widespread.
There are still many dark areas around the world that would give you an opportunity to see the sky with no lights around to detract from the night sky.
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Illinois
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Few places have real dark sky is somewhere on small islands, Southern American and someplace in Africa!
My sister went to Africa and she told me the night is so dark and bright milkyway all the way to the ground! You don't see milkway is the ground! Wow!
Get there is problem and best way is on vacation from last quarter to a few days before new moon! Large telescope with you is other problem!
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phanfave
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It's a sad situation, but not all is bleak. This is why everyone interested in astronomy needs to talk about this problem with people uninformed of the facts. It will be a slow process, but one worth fighting for. We can't make changes on a national scale, but we can influence our local communities. One step at a time. And I agree as the costs of energy increase there will be more incentive not to pollute the night skies.
One thing that bothers me about the map on page 1 is that mane of the Northeastern states are losing population to the Western states. So I would expect light pollution to get worse out there than here. Here it's already bad but it's going to get much worse in the high growth areas. It's too bad this can't be a bigger issue on the national stage. I imagine we could save ourselves a good percentage of our daily energy needs if we weren't so stubborn about lighting up every square inch of the ground and night sky.
Sean
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