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gordianknot
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SpaceX flight 4 is coming up new
      #2663918 - 09/26/08 05:44 AM

In a few days, if all goes according to plan, SpaceX will attempt the 4th launch of their Falcon 1 launch vehicle. For those who haven't been following SpaceX closely, it's a company founded and funded by Paypal co-founder Elon Musk. (Musk is also the force behind the Tesla roadster.) Musk has dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into the company which, while a substantial chunk of his personal fortune, is comparatively small when placed next to a launch vehicle developed by "aerospace prime" companies like Lockheed or Boeing.

So far SpaceX has launched three Falcon 1 rockets which have all suffered failures that prevented them and their payloads from reaching orbit. The first experienced engine shutdown less than a 30s after launch. The second experienced a second stage failure which was attributed to "slosh" in the fuel tank and the third experienced a collision between first and second stages. Though SpaceX has attempted to spin these failures as test flights that were effectively part of an iterative debugging process, this isn't exactly a particularly enticing track record for a company that still preaches the theoretical reliability of its rockets on its web site and claims that its larger Falcon 9 rocket will be human rated--if they can find anyone who's crazy enough to get in the capsule. It also doesn't help that at one point Musk said that if they failed 3 times, it would be obvious that they didn't know what they were doing; he has since recanted this statement.

Despite its setbacks and my sarcastic attitude, SpaceX promises huge things. Their rockets--the Falcon 1 (700 kg capacity) and its much larger brother the Falcon 9 (10,000 kg capacity)--promise to be about an order of magnitude cheaper than existing commercial launch vehicles per unit of payload weight. Like the space shuttle's solid rocket boosters, the first stages of these vehicles are supposed to be reusable. For these reasons, NASA has funded SpaceX for its COTS space station resupply program. Many scientific, civilian and military applications could benefit greatly from cheaper launch vehicles because large percentages of all spacecraft budgets go toward the launcher. So, if SpaceX actually succeeds at providing launches at its price targets it may be one of the most revolutionary developments in space flight.

I for one will be keeping an eye on the launch news over the next few days to see how this goes.


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Re: SpaceX flight 4 is coming up new [Re: gordianknot]
      #2664326 - 09/26/08 11:30 AM

Rocket propulsion is so simple in concept and so complex in execution. I wish them luck.

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Re: SpaceX flight 4 is coming up new [Re: gazerjim]
      #2668624 - 09/28/08 07:41 PM

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Re: SpaceX flight 4 is coming up new [Re: gordianknot]
      #2668655 - 09/28/08 07:58 PM

That is very good news...
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Re: SpaceX flight 4 is coming up new [Re: gordianknot]
      #2668672 - 09/28/08 08:08 PM

Congratulations are in order for Elon Musk and his team at SpaceX! Hopefully this is the first in a long line of successful launches.

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Re: SpaceX flight 4 is coming up new [Re: pcad]
      #2669292 - 09/29/08 02:33 AM

It will be interesting to see if they succeed in recovering the first stage and what kind of shape it's in when they do. Of course for them, that would just be icing on the cake right now.

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Re: SpaceX flight 4 is coming up new [Re: gordianknot]
      #2671148 - 09/29/08 10:53 PM

Hi,

Great news; is SpaceX the company to pay attention to, or is there another one that is planning its own rocket?

thx,

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Re: SpaceX flight 4 is coming up new [Re: Paul Romero]
      #2673032 - 09/30/08 09:55 PM

I think they are the ones who are furthest along.

There's Scaled Composites of course for manned sub-orbital flights.

There's also Armadillo Aerospace, from one of id's cofounders (the makers of Doom, Quake). I am not sure if they are orbital or sub-orbital like Scaled Composites.

I'll also add that SpaceX is also very ambitious, their proposed Falcon 9 is very impressive, as is their proposed Dragon manned capsule.


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Re: SpaceX flight 4 is coming up new [Re: FLNightSky]
      #2673311 - 10/01/08 12:21 AM

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Re: SpaceX flight 4 is coming up new [Re: FLNightSky]
      #2673518 - 10/01/08 05:56 AM

There are a great number of startup companies vying for a position in the space launch market, but SpaceX is the only one that I know of that's built an actual orbital launch vehicle. None of these seem to have the extraordinary ambition of SpaceX which aims to have a EELV class launch vehicle (Falcon 9) in operation by next year. Their closest competitor is probably the reasonably established Orbital Sciences Corporation which also has a COTS contract.

Many companies have paper rockets or prototypes like Blue Origin, Airlaunch and SpaceDev. Blue Origin is funded by Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos. Airlaunch has a DARPA contract and was involved in a COTS bid that included Scaled Composites under the name of T/Space. SpaceDev developed part of the rocket engine for SpaceShipOne.

It will also be very interesting to see what Scaled itself does over the next 5 to 10 years. Burt Rutan is debatably the most brilliant living aerospace designer. Among his many achievements, he's built the only two aircraft to circumnavigate the globe non-stop and the only privately developed manned space plane. Scaled is now owned by Northrop Grumman and has a contract with Virgin for their commercial space program, so that may give Rutan the budget he needs to explore larger ideas.


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Re: SpaceX flight 4 is coming up new [Re: gordianknot]
      #2673690 - 10/01/08 09:01 AM

Quote:

............... Scaled is now owned by Northrop Grumman and has a contract with Virgin for their commercial space program, so that may give Rutan the budget he needs to explore larger ideas.




Wow. I didn't know that. Northrop will put some real teeth in that program. I'd love to see a picture from space with Mr. Zhigang, Mr. Boming, Mr. Haipeng and ol Burt shaking hands. Them in 10 million dollar space suits, Burt in jeans. Burt's a true genius.

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Re: SpaceX flight 4 is coming up [Re: JerryWise]
      #2674574 - 10/01/08 04:37 PM

congrats to SpaceX!

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