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kfred
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Re: Nagler vs BO for planetary viewing? new [Re: Mr. Mike]
      #2665605 - 09/26/08 11:56 PM

In any case, BO/TMB are hard to find nowdays.

Fred

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Re: Nagler vs BO for planetary viewing? new [Re: KWB]
      #2668028 - 09/28/08 01:40 PM

To me, the issue of eye relief is kinda-sorta a tradeoff.

Most of the more specialized types (Orthos, Plossls, Monocentric) have FAR more issues with eye relief than the 5mm and 7mm Naglers (I own both..).

For my own use, I have come to greatly respect the T6 Naglers in the 7mm and 5mm focal length for some viewing.

For example, when I put Jupiter in the field of my 6" refractor, not only is Jupiter stunning, but ALL OF THE MOONS are perfect little spheres!. In most of the other eyepieces I used (including a BO/TMB which was not very sharp off axis) I couldn't even get the moons IN to the field.

I have done extesive testing on a variety of targets (Outdoor and indoor test targets, which I think are more "Objective" than testing on planets under varying seeing) and even barlowed, the Naglers are almost indistingusable from just about any other eyepiece made. The difference in sharpness and contrast is almost impossible to see.

Of course in some scopes, the wider field of the Naglers may not be a astetically pleasing because many faster scopes start to show a lot of coma off axis. The Nagler can't fix this, so for someone that is bothered by it, maybe a conventional field is more desirable to cut off the outer abberations.

I do think the Radians are excellent eyepieces however. I owned several over the years. They are both comfortable and BRILLLIANTLY sharp at the edge of the field. In my 6" scope, I could litterally split any double at the edge of the field that could be split at the center of the field. You could set the Airy pattern RIGHT on the edge of the field and literally split the Airy disk with the Field Stop!

But at the end of the day, I don't think the Radian was any sharper on-axis than the Nagler is, and the Nagler is a FAR more practical eyepiece because at high powers in general observing is when you need the extra true field the MOST!

And I look at EVERYTHING at High Powers! I use "Planetary Powers" to look at EVERTHING. Even if it doesn't fit in the field, I STILL study it at high powers. And when you DO that, you see extra detail that doesn't show up at lower powers.. And when you realize that, Naglers suddenly look like the best game in town...

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Re: Nagler vs BO for planetary viewing? new [Re: Eddgie]
      #2670629 - 09/29/08 06:09 PM

Hey Taylor,

I have a C6SCT and one of my favorite high magnification planetary eyepieces for it is my BO/TMB 8mm. I bought mine used for about $50. I haven't tried a similarly sized Pan or Nagler, so I can't comment on those, but I recently purchased a 7mm XW and I like the views from both eyepieces very much, so much so that I doubt I will sell either.

At the price - it's hard to beat the BO/TMBs.

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Edited by clang (09/29/08 06:10 PM)


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Re: Nagler vs BO for planetary viewing? new [Re: Mr. Mike]
      #2676542 - 10/02/08 03:45 PM

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Radians, on the other hand were perfect for planetary and are very comfortable to use. I would suggest the Radians or the TMBs before any Nagler for high-power planetary and/or lunar study. The Naglers are better served being low to medium power eyepieces.





I could not disagree more. A few years back I purchased an entire set of Nagler T6's with the idea of comparing them against my set of Radians. After doing A-B comparisons over a few months using different telescopes, I was determined to sell the set that performed less well on the planets. Long story short, I sold the Radians. I've found that the Nagler T6's perform very well on the planets and are now my "daily driver" eyepieces.

Over the last several months, I slowly acquired a set of TAK LE's. These are really sharp on-axis and I prefer these on the planets. They're a little more color-neutral then the Nagler T6's. However, the NT6's are sharper at the edge.

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Re: Nagler vs BO for planetary viewing? new [Re: peleuba]
      #2676603 - 10/02/08 04:09 PM

Simplistic answer: GET BOTH!
(you know you wants it)

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-Plossls, Radians, Naglers, LVW's & Orthos.
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Re: Nagler vs BO for planetary viewing? new [Re: kaaikop]
      #2677589 - 10/03/08 05:11 AM

Well I think I talked the wife into a set of 4 Radian's between my birthday and Christmas (they're bothin December), it was much easier to sell a set of 4 of those, she couldn't understand the price of the Nagler T6's, and I'm totally fine with a set of 4 Radian's, better than anything I've ever used anyways.

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Re: Nagler vs BO for planetary viewing? [Re: Taylor]
      #2677647 - 10/03/08 07:12 AM

Funny how perception is different, from one observer to the next...
Yesterday I had a short observ. session (only subject was Jupiter)
to have a look at my brand new UO Orthos that had came in a few days ago...

Just a coincidence, but I took these out, and a few Radians and a barlow.
Guess what? This is only one night and one subject, but last night I found the barlowed Radians better than the orthos.
The orthos were very clear, but details sort of "washed out", whereas in the barlowed Radian,
I found contrast much nicer, I actually could "see" much more details, the GRS was litterally jumping at you.

As I say, this is just one hour, different night, different subject, I will probably get different results.
But I sure love my Radians more and more.

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-C 9.25XLT on EQ6 Pro / ED80SF on Portamount
-Plossls, Radians, Naglers, LVW's & Orthos.
-a pair of 7x50's


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