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Guilty as Charged
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Time for some contemplation. Putting language style and mannerisms aside as everyone's way is different. It really does sound like Rod was impressed with the eyepiece in his article concerning the Televue Ethos. Everyone is entitled to his or her views. If you would like to submit a review or article I am sure that you would be allowed to do so. And write it in your own words and style, humorous or dry, artsy or scientific. Stay within the family friendly envelope and type away. And remember that anyone can change their mind. So much good stuff has been said about the Ethos in so many threads but only two negatives or sticking points come to mind. Those are : 1) can you see or use the entire field at once? and 2) is the price point worth it?
First I'll put a little different spin on "negative" point number two. I purchased the Naglers when they first came out on the market in the eighties. I still have them. A $200.00 dollar eyepiece used over 25 years is $8.00 per year.
Now about point number one. I have a sizeable undriven scope and a wide field is very handy. Especially a sharp clear field. Hence the Naglers. I am holding off on the Ethos at the moment because the seeing at my present house for the past year or so has not been conducive to using the magnifications that the present and recently announced Ethos eyepieces would provide. The Ethos 25 mm in my signature line for the past month does not exist as far as I know. "Only your eyepiece designer knows for sure." Hmm that sounds like that hairdresser/home permanent commercial from TV (Television not Televue) years ago. If some day one like that becomes available and if at that time I am able to afford it I will probably purchase one.
In closing. Sure it may be fun to pick on Rod or poke fun at that star drop character with his droll humor. We are the way we are. We are not doing it to irritate you. And please realize that none of the membership are here on Cloudy Nights because we get paid to be here or want to feel important. We are like the rest of the members. We are all here to help, share, learn and make new friends.
My sincere apologies if I have upset anyone with my remarks.
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Ted
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csa/montana
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Reged: 05/14/05
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. If you would like to submit a review or article I am sure that you would be allowed to do so. And write it in your own words and style, humorous or dry, artsy or scientific. Stay within the family friendly envelope and type away.
How to submit a review
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Carol
AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
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csa/montana
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And please realize that none of the membership are here on Cloudy Nights because we get paid to be here
 What? We don't get paid?  I've been waiting for that check that's in the mail for nothing 
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Carol
AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
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Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Tak LE 5mm B/TMB 3.2
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14mm Meade 4000 UWA
22mm Pan, 35mm Pan
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WadeVC
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MikeRatcliff
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Loc: Redlands, CA
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Star Drop,
How did you get the 25mm Ethos listed in your signature? Can I borrow it for a while? 
Mike
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Tele Vue Plossls 32,25,20,15,11
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Brandon 32, 16
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Hermie
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Reged: 04/20/05
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Over the last few years I have realized that the real weak link in my observing is me and my eyeballs. I'm waiting for one of those direct to brain links I see them use in movies.
I have also realized that eyepieces are VERY subjective. Each eyepiece is a fine balance between sharpness (on and off axis), field of view, field curvature and cost. Each feature costs the others, and affects the viewer (and subject) differently.
I love looking through a new eyepiece, but when I first looked through my Nagler zoom my first thought was, "This is almost the same as my BO/TMB planetary". We all want the best view, but honestly you see more with experience than with a fancy/expensive eyepiece. The Ethoi and Naglers and Pentaxes are better, but the difference is that last 10-20% of performance that is so difficult to achieve. If you have a slow telescope the difference may not even be noticeable.
My only real advice is that if you like the view an eyepiece gives, keep it! If you get the chance to try something else, try it. Price and "accepted opinion" are good indicators, but not a guarantee that it will work for you and your scope.
BTW Carol, we love you! Sorry, no cheque today.
Hermie
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Mr. Mike
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 11/08/05
Posts: 858
Loc: Churchville, NY
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Over the last few years I have realized that the real weak link in my observing is me and my eyeballs. I'm waiting for one of those direct to brain links I see them use in movies.
I have also realized that eyepieces are VERY subjective. Each eyepiece is a fine balance between sharpness (on and off axis), field of view, field curvature and cost. Each feature costs the others, and affects the viewer (and subject) differently.
I love looking through a new eyepiece, but when I first looked through my Nagler zoom my first thought was, "This is almost the same as my BO/TMB planetary". We all want the best view, but honestly you see more with experience than with a fancy/expensive eyepiece. The Ethoi and Naglers and Pentaxes are better, but the difference is that last 10-20% of performance that is so difficult to achieve. If you have a slow telescope the difference may not even be noticeable.
My only real advice is that if you like the view an eyepiece gives, keep it! If you get the chance to try something else, try it. Price and "accepted opinion" are good indicators, but not a guarantee that it will work for you and your scope.
BTW Carol, we love you! Sorry, no cheque today.
Hermie
Well said... eyepieces are a very personal thing. Some of us like Brand X and xxx field of view and others do not. Maybe its not even that people dont like certain eyepieces, its more like they can "get their fill" with perhaps a cheaper eyepiece or whatever. The scope being used is a HUGE factor as well. Fast scopes generally require better eyepieces from what I can tell.
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csa/montana
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BTW Carol, we love you! Sorry, no cheque today.
Hermie, the flower & message is better than a check! 
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Carol
AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
AstroTech 66ED / Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Tak LE 5mm B/TMB 3.2
7mm Pentax XL, 10mm Pentax XW
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
22mm Pan, 35mm Pan
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MikeRatcliff
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Reged: 06/12/04
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Loc: Redlands, CA
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Well said... eyepieces are a very personal thing. Some of us like Brand X and xxx field of view and others do not.
I agree, well said.
And my taste in wide field panoramas versus fine detail changes from minute to minute and object to object. The answer is of course to have both, which leads to affordability...
My affordability opinion swings between "I can afford it and deserve it and these will last a lifetime" versus "I really need to save some money".
And I did look through a 13mm Ethos in my scope for about 15 minutes last week, and BELIEVE ME THIS DID NOT HELP my decision making. It is a very nice eyepiece. Carol you should stay away, far away, from the Ethos.
I'm going insane.
Mike
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16" f/4.9 dob
Tele Vue Plossls 32,25,20,15,11
13 Nagler T6
10.5 Pentax XL
Brandon 32, 16
12.5 UO ortho, 9 Circle T ortho
2x TV Barlow
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csa/montana
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Carol you should stay away, far away, from the Ethos.
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Carol
AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
AstroTech 66ED / Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Tak LE 5mm B/TMB 3.2
7mm Pentax XL, 10mm Pentax XW
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
22mm Pan, 35mm Pan
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BillP
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Loc: Vienna, VA
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... BTW Carol, we love you! Sorry, no cheque today.
Hermie
I'll second that...Carol's the *b*e*s*t* !!
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