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jimmoscheck
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Re: Scary-Looking EP/Barlow/Parcorr Combos (w/pics) new [Re: armchairal]
      #2687569 - 10/08/08 04:43 PM

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I thought I read somewhere that the Paracorr is supposed to be placed in the Powermate/barlow,so the Powermate/barlow won't scratch the Paracorr lens???
Al




You are correct, sir, but I think it's to keep the same spacing between the EP and Paracorr and is only with the 2" 2X powermate or 2" barlow. Obviously, a 1.25" powermate/barlow would have to come after the Paracorr.

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Re: Scary-Looking EP/Barlow/Parcorr Combos (w/pics new [Re: jimmoscheck]
      #2690118 - 10/09/08 09:59 PM Attachment (22 downloads)

Lash 'em up!

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S 38º 00' E 145º20'

Custom 12" F/4.6 dob
10" GSO dob
4.5" Meade Newtonian
Set of Vixen LVWs + TV barlows + powermates
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Re: Scary-Looking EP/Barlow/Parcorr Combos (w/pics new [Re: HellsKitchen]
      #2690120 - 10/09/08 10:00 PM Attachment (20 downloads)

again...

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S 38º 00' E 145º20'

Custom 12" F/4.6 dob
10" GSO dob
4.5" Meade Newtonian
Set of Vixen LVWs + TV barlows + powermates
Astronomik 0III, UHC, H-beta filters



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Re: Scary-Looking EP/Barlow/Parcorr Combos (w/pics new [Re: HellsKitchen]
      #2690235 - 10/09/08 11:13 PM



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Re: Scary-Looking EP/Barlow/Parcorr Combos (w/pics new [Re: csa/montana]
      #2690266 - 10/09/08 11:34 PM

WOW! Whats the magnification on that stack?

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Re: Scary-Looking EP/Barlow/Parcorr Combos (w/pics) new [Re: FirstSight]
      #2690322 - 10/10/08 12:13 AM

Quote:

Some Poster in another thread yesterday said:
Quote:


I especially wouldn't want to use a Big Barlow/Paracorr/Ethos combo!





So, in the spirit of scientific experimentation for the benefit of the astro community....well, ok maybe it's more the astro equivalent of an Evil Knevil stunt to titillate your voyeuristic curiosity and my sense of reckless adventure...HERE ARE SOME PICS of some of the most gnarly, scary eyepiece/barlow/parcorr combos that can possibly be conjured up. (Actually, those are TV Powermates, not barlows in the pictures, but...for present purposes, that's not important). The point is whether these absurd combos are fun to look *at*, not whether they're ideal to look *through*.

OK, LET'S GET STARTED: First, here's a picture of:
31 Nagler => 2x 2" TV Powermate => TV Parcorr (=> Moonlite Focuser) hanging off an Orion XT12i reflector. Notice that there's a difficult dilemna here to setting up these pics: I don't want to get the scope too far off vertical because of balance issues, but leaving the scope too close to vertical leaves the eyepiece optical train hanging rather precariously horizontal off the scope. Therefore, the combos didn't stay mounted any longer than necessary to take the pics.



I've used this combination in the field. You have the Paracorr and Powermate reversed, though. The PowerMate goes first, then the Paracorr and eyepiece. It's important to maintain a correct distance from the Paracorr's lens to the focal plane of the eyepiece.

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Don Pensack
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Re: Scary-Looking EP/Barlow/Parcorr Combos (w/pics) new [Re: Starman1]
      #2690403 - 10/10/08 01:19 AM

With all that stuff sticking out of the focuser I would not know where to place my ladder and wouldn't be able to reach the end of my dobs tube to track without falling off.

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Re: Scary-Looking EP/Barlow/Parcorr Combos (w/pics new [Re: mazzefr]
      #2690539 - 10/10/08 06:50 AM

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WOW! Whats the magnification on that stack?




it's about 12100x

If I replaced those barlows with five 5x Powermates, it'd be over 1,200,000x

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S 38º 00' E 145º20'

Custom 12" F/4.6 dob
10" GSO dob
4.5" Meade Newtonian
Set of Vixen LVWs + TV barlows + powermates
Astronomik 0III, UHC, H-beta filters



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Re: Scary-Looking EP/Barlow/Parcorr Combos (w/pics new [Re: HellsKitchen]
      #2690663 - 10/10/08 08:58 AM

Is it dark yet?

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Re: Scary-Looking EP/Barlow/Parcorr Combos (w/pics) new [Re: jimmoscheck]
      #2691203 - 10/10/08 01:58 PM

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You are correct, sir, but I think it's to keep the same spacing between the EP and Paracorr and is only with the 2" 2X powermate or 2" barlow. Obviously, a 1.25" powermate/barlow would have to come after the Paracorr.




The only caveat would be *not* to use a Barlow with the tunable top Paracorr. According to TeleVue, the Barlow might contact the Paracorr lens:

http://www.televue.com/engine/page.asp?ID=230

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Re: Scary-Looking EP/Barlow/Parcorr Combos (w/pics) new [Re: turtle86]
      #2691380 - 10/10/08 03:50 PM

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The only caveat would be *not* to use a Barlow with the tunable top Paracorr. According to TeleVue, the Barlow might contact the Paracorr lens:




If it inserts as deeply as their own 2x barlow. Many do not, and Televue specifically says this advice does not hold for their own 1.25" Powermate either.

I used a 1.8x TMB barlow, and you couldn't insert it deeply enough for it to stop requiring lots of focuser in-travel. I'm using a Baader/Zeiss now, and there's no way to make the barlow contact the Paracorr lens - not even if you set the tunable top to the lowest setting.

There are other slightly dangerous combinations that don't involve barlows at all -- a 13mm Ethos with a stack of filters (e.g. a variable polarising filter plus a Baader Moon&Skyglow) definitely *is* dangerous if you forget to set the tunable top high.

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Re: Scary-Looking EP/Barlow/Parcorr Combos (w/pics) new [Re: Starman1]
      #2691707 - 10/10/08 06:52 PM

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I've used this combination in the field. You have the Paracorr and Powermate reversed, though. The PowerMate goes first, then the Paracorr and eyepiece. It's important to maintain a correct distance from the Paracorr's lens to the focal plane of the eyepiece.




Actually the only important thing is to maintain the proper spacing between the resultant focal plane of the combined Barlow and eyepiece 'as a unit' and the Paracorr, which is no different than placing an eyepiece with a built in Barlow into the Paracorr. I routinely placed my 2" 1.6X Antares Barlow directly into my Visual Paracorr, and I always got fantastic results. If I still had a Paracorr, my current 2" 1.5X Proxima Barlow would most certainly go directly into it. If the Barlow fits without hitting the Paracorrs eye element, then go for it.

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Re: Scary-Looking EP/Barlow/Parcorr Combos (w/pics) [Re: sixela]
      #2692007 - 10/10/08 10:36 PM

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There are other slightly dangerous combinations that don't involve barlows at all




As I found after trying a 2" OIII filter on my 31 nagler and discovered it wouldn't seat fully into the paracorr.

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Geoff
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Re: Scary-Looking EP/Barlow/Parcorr Combos (w/pics) new [Re: Starkler]
      #2702427 - 10/16/08 02:00 PM

You people are DEMENTED! The really scary one is the guy on AM selling his Zeiss EPs and AP binoviewer with damage from a fall on concrete. Talk about seeing a grown man cry....

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Wegat ETX-125 Mak-Cass
Celestron C11 XLT
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