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tnscoper
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ISS imaging question new
      #2693094 - 10/11/08 02:37 PM

Hi Folks,

For those of you who image the ISS, do you hand guide your scope following the ISS (hoping its in the cameras field of view) to get your image, or do you get ahead of the ISS's path and let it fly through the cams field of view?

TIA

Allen

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Re: ISS imaging question [Re: tnscoper]
      #2693131 - 10/11/08 03:00 PM

I follow it using the finderscope trying to capture it in the FOV. The other method you mention is just as hit and miss

Smooth motion, an accurately aligned finderscope, and a fast shutter speed will all help to increase your chances of getting something in the avi.

You'll find a lot of black frames and then every now and then, whip, there goes the ISS and you hope you got some sharp frames. Use virtual dub to scan through the avi to find the frames with the ISS in them.

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Re: ISS imaging question new [Re: iceman]
      #2693338 - 10/11/08 05:19 PM

I'm NOT an expert in imaging the ISS but I did it a few times and it seems to work:
- I guide manualy thru the finder scope - Meade 9 X 50 mm
- Align the finderscope with the main telescope as precise you can ( I use a meade 14"LX200 with no barlow lens).
- Focus on a star or the moon as close as you can, using the laptop screen.
- Set the fps as high as possible like 30 or 60 to avoid image blur.
- Then there is the exposure setting like 1/1000 or 1/1500
This depending on the brightness of the ISS (mag.) This requires some experimenting, you can check this with other imagers or compare images taken at different Mag.
- Gain setting, normaly very high gain, again this requires some tests.
- do not forget the SCT mirrorlock !
- Remember that the ISS is at his closest point when it's overhead (like 300 - 400 km) Then it's the time to capture the ISS !
- When the ISS is on the horizon it's still faint and slow, but then it suddenly starts to brighten up and goes real fast. The best thing to is to do a few 'dry' manual runs across the sky with your telescope and see how that works out, Freedom of movement and keeping the ISS in the crosshairs of the viewfinder ! See that nothing is obstructing the 'swing' with your telescope like the Camera cables or small table or wifes & kids, pets or so. Sometimes your body does not want go were the ISS is going to...
- Look at the ISS track were it is coming from and were it is going to - NE-SW, please do check it on a software program first and get familiar with the sky.
- Do not forget to update your planetary software the same day when you're about to image the ISS, or see Haevens Above website
http://www.heavens-above.com/?Session=kebgcobblaimcaeebbicfpkd
- Do not forget to remove the dustcap from your scope !
- Do not forget to push the 'Start' or 'capture' button on the laptop to start imaging !!!!!
- As Mike already said, you just let your camera run from beginning to the end, and then go tru a lot of dark frames, like a few 1000 nds, and some of then will hold an image of the ISS !!!
I do this in Handy Avi, select the images were the ISS shows up and make an Avi only of these frames.
- and then there is the processing software to bring out more detail in the ISS, but that's for later.
After a few times of practising you will succeed and please do post your result here.
And for all DO NOT GIVE UP, NEVER !!
You WILL capture that first image of an astronaut that's coming out of the airlock . . . . before Ralf does
It's a lot of fun !

Freddy

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Edited by Freddy WILLEMS (10/11/08 06:31 PM)


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Re: ISS imaging question new [Re: Freddy WILLEMS]
      #2693339 - 10/11/08 05:21 PM

exellent explanation Freddy.Many thanks!

Ralf


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Re: ISS imaging question new [Re: Ralf Vandebergh]
      #2693359 - 10/11/08 05:34 PM

Thanks Ralf,
I'm still trying, there are not that much ISS passes over Hawaii here, to low or early morning.
I did capture the ISS a few times with the Meade 14"LX200 at it's closest point, a huge difference when it shows up on the horizon and when it's overhead !
I have to experiment some more with the Gain settings.
But I will get there some day.
There is a nice 60 degrees ISS pass tonight so wish me luck this time.
Freddy

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W/O 102 mm f/7 APO doublet
Orion 80 mm f/7 ED

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Re: ISS imaging question new [Re: Freddy WILLEMS]
      #2693865 - 10/11/08 10:26 PM

Hi Allen. I'm with Ralph, Freddy had given as good of a reply as possible on catching the ISS. I will say that I'm using a motorized mount so holding the ISS in the crosshairs is almost impossible. I try to get a little ahead and let it fly through. This way the scope is stopped and the frames I catch are not usually blurred. A lot of trial and error here as the speed is much faster a zenith than at the horizon. Good luck.

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Re: ISS imaging question new [Re: chutch44]
      #2693912 - 10/11/08 11:07 PM

Indeed, you can also get ahead and let the ISS fly into the FOV, you can do this a few times along it's path, but you got to aim very close.
Freddy

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Meade 10" LX200 & TITAN 50:1 mount Gemini 'go to'
Meade 127 mm f/9 APO & TITAN 50:1 mount Gemini 'go to'
W/O 102 mm f/7 APO doublet
Orion 80 mm f/7 ED

DFK 21AU04.AS
ToUcam 840 II pro
Canon 10D Unmoddified
Canon 40D waiting to be modded by Hutech

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Re: ISS imaging question new [Re: Freddy WILLEMS]
      #2693931 - 10/11/08 11:21 PM

Can you not undo the moterized part ? Clutch or so ?
It's much easier to go manuel on the ISS ?
It has really not an celestial path.
Freddy

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Meade 14" LX200 GPS UHTC GPS on permanent pier (Time Machine)
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Meade 10" LX200 & TITAN 50:1 mount Gemini 'go to'
Meade 127 mm f/9 APO & TITAN 50:1 mount Gemini 'go to'
W/O 102 mm f/7 APO doublet
Orion 80 mm f/7 ED

DFK 21AU04.AS
ToUcam 840 II pro
Canon 10D Unmoddified
Canon 40D waiting to be modded by Hutech

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Re: ISS imaging question new [Re: Freddy WILLEMS]
      #2693951 - 10/11/08 11:40 PM

Thanks Guys!

I've tried a few times leading the ISS, then letting it fly through the cameras field of view, but the few frames I get seem to be blurred. I was wondering if there would be an advantage to following the ISS in the finderscope, while hoping to get a few frames of the ISS.
I'll try increasing the frame rate and shutter speed and see if that helps.
I like your do not do advice Freddy...sounds like the voice of experience, LOL

Thanks again all, hopefully I'll be able to post something here soon.

Allen

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Re: ISS imaging question new [Re: tnscoper]
      #2694005 - 10/12/08 12:11 AM

I went to the whole trouble a few times and still I do not have a good frame to post here. I used different camera's thats why I never got the proper settings right !
Look at Ralfs pictures and learn from him and others.
You have to use a high frame setting to beat the motion blur. But then you also have to adjust the exposure time and the play with the gain settings.
Every time you do this you have to remember your settings and also the ISS magnetudes... so you can adjust your gain and other settings for the next fly over opertunity.
Freddy

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Celestron C 14" Peltier cooled for planetary imaging.
Meade 10" LX200 & TITAN 50:1 mount Gemini 'go to'
Meade 127 mm f/9 APO & TITAN 50:1 mount Gemini 'go to'
W/O 102 mm f/7 APO doublet
Orion 80 mm f/7 ED

DFK 21AU04.AS
ToUcam 840 II pro
Canon 10D Unmoddified
Canon 40D waiting to be modded by Hutech

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Re: ISS imaging question new [Re: tnscoper]
      #2694665 - 10/12/08 11:58 AM

Do you do prime focus for imaging the ISS?

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Edited by Ptarmigan (10/12/08 06:25 PM)


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Re: ISS imaging question new [Re: Ptarmigan]
      #2694977 - 10/12/08 03:20 PM

Yes, prime foucs.
Freddy

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Celestron C 14" Peltier cooled for planetary imaging.
Meade 10" LX200 & TITAN 50:1 mount Gemini 'go to'
Meade 127 mm f/9 APO & TITAN 50:1 mount Gemini 'go to'
W/O 102 mm f/7 APO doublet
Orion 80 mm f/7 ED

DFK 21AU04.AS
ToUcam 840 II pro
Canon 10D Unmoddified
Canon 40D waiting to be modded by Hutech

And lots of eyepieces and acc.


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Re: ISS imaging question new [Re: Freddy WILLEMS]
      #2695248 - 10/12/08 06:26 PM

I see. I will give it a try when it's at a convient spot. I saw on Thursday and it was bright.

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Edited by Ptarmigan (10/12/08 06:41 PM)


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