Jim Romanski
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I’m looking for recommendations on buying a DSLR camera to try my hand at astrophotography and to use extensively for daytime use.
I picked up a copy of: Digital Astrophotography: A Guide to Capturing the Cosmos
This is a nice book for any amateur astronomer who’s done lots of visual astronomy and who wants to get an idea what to expect dabbling in digital astrophotography.
So I’ve decided that I don’t have the time right now to go full steam ahead into digital astrophotography. But I would like to dabble a little bit for now and a DSLR with its daytime and nighttime capability is the way to go.
My wife will probably use the DSLR camera most of the time for daytime use. She’s a pretty good photographer and is presently using a pocket digital camera. She also owns an old Olympus OM-1 with several excellent lenses that hasn’t been used in years.
I’m wondering if it’s worthwhile getting an Olympus DSLR in order to use the old lenses. I know that you can do this with some DSLR cameras but you loose the autofocus and auto-exposure controls. I also know that Olympus went to the 4:3 lens design so I don’t know if an older film lens will even work on their DSLR cameras.
I would like to stay on the lower end of the budget. I know that some of the Cannon’s are quite popular for astrophotography and that there’s a model made specifically for astrophotography with its IR filter removed. Is this a good choice? What do you do for daytime use? Do you simply attach an IR filter externally?
I should also mention that I have a Televue NP101 on a CG-5 mount with dual axis drives but no auto-guide capability. At some point if I get smitten by astrophotography I’ll get another mount but not right away.
So what do you recommend and why?
-------------------- Jim
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soreneck
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Hi Jim,
First off, welcome to the DSLR forum. DSLRs are a great way of getting your feet wet in astrophotgraphy without breaking the bank, since you can justify their use for daytime photography as well (as you note).
Your current setup (the NP101 and CG5) is more than adequate to get started (though as many will tell you, astrophotos are only as good as the mount used to take them).
You'll find the Canons most popular due to their reputations for low noise and relatively light weight, though apparently Nikon and others are now comparable.
I'll admit I don't know much about Olympus DSLRs, but I do believe that T-ring adapters exist for them, and so they are very likely workable as astrophoto cameras. Having said that, a used Canon XT can be found quite cheaply now, and these have an excellent reputation for low noise and decent sensitivity.
If you do buy an Olympus, try to find one with a Live View function -- setting good focus is much easier with this tool.
I wouldn't recommend modifying your camera to remove the IR filter until you get comfortable with general DSLR imaging. It's not that it's difficult per se, but rather that there are many other variables to consider first. However, to answer your question, it is possible to use an IR-modified camera in daylight by using custom white balance settings and/or a compensating IR lens filter.
Another important consideration, as with visual astronomy, is the darkness of your skies. If you intend to image from the city or suburbs, you'll quickly see benefit from a broadband light pollution filter (e.g. Orion Ultrablock, IDAS LPS, etc). These can cut out low-to-moderate sky glow, but are no match for bad urban l.p. or the full moon. They also will significantly increase the exposure time required to get the same signal result (roughly double).
You haven't mentioned your budget, but I'll assume for now that you want to find a dual-use camera that can be used with your old Olympus lenses. If so, perhaps the best route would be buying a basic Olympus DSLR (ideally with Live View) for now, and if you decide to invest more, purchase a modified Canon XSi or 40D (both with Live View) down the line (or even the vaunted 50D MkII, but that's *much* more expensive).
Let us know how your search goes!
Cheers, Adam
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lawrie
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Hi Jim, I agree with Adam, on choice of camera. There are lots of great astro images made using the mount you have, look at Weatherandsky's photo's, (she just got the CGE) before that she used the same mount as you, plus your scope is great, hard to get much better.
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AlexDJ30
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If you can get a Canon Rebel Xsi (aka 450D) that would be the sweet spot right now (I have one) because it have live view (to focus the camera in real time, if you buy a lower canon , Xti or Xt, you will have to take and shot and focus or buy a accesori call stiletto focuser for this) of course right now its quiet expensive (body only like 650 to 700 dls) with lense kit around 850 dls.
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I bought an adapter online that lets me use an old 50mm Olympus lens from the 70s on my Rebel XT.
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EWhytsell
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With the new canon 50D and 5DmkII out now people are dumping there used 40D's and stores are dumping there stock of 40D's. I've seen new prices at $600-700 for bodies.
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Ishtim
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Budget? How about some #'s?
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Jim Romanski
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I didn't give any budget #s but I said on the low end.
I'm looking around and see that there are packages with lenses from $500 to $700 or so.
What do you folks think about the following cameras:
Olympus e-420 Olympus e-520 Cannon XSi
I know the Cannons are popular for astro photos but they cost a bit more than the Olympus.
-------------------- Jim
17.5" Dob "Project"
13.1" Coulter
8” Cave
NP 101 on a CG-5
25x100 binos
Naglers, Ethos, etc.
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I'd go with the Canon XSi; if you decide to go more deeply into AP, there's a lot of software and support for the Canon, which can simplify the learning curve.
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Scott Rose
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I agree, the XSi with live view seems the way to go. Solid camera, good resolution, good support, and a decent price.
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Jim Romanski
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Since first posting this I've done some searches on CN and out in the wild.
It appears that I can use our old Olympus 35mm film OM lenses with the either the Olympus DSLR cameras or the Canons with an adapter ring. You loose all or most of the auto features but those are less important with a telephoto for daytime or astrophotos.
I also came upon several threads using Olympus DSLR cameras for astrophotos so amateurs are using the Olympus line although they seem to be in the minority.
So here's what I'm weighing now:
Overall quality and usability for its primary purpose daytime photography.
Cost: Olympus e-420 w/lens kit ~ $500 Olympus e-520 w/lens kit ~ $600 Canon XSi w/lens kit ~ $700 *all have live view
Size: The e-420 is smaller and lighter than the other two.
For Astrophotography - overall quality, user-friendliness, and availability of software and accessories.
-------------------- Jim
17.5" Dob "Project"
13.1" Coulter
8” Cave
NP 101 on a CG-5
25x100 binos
Naglers, Ethos, etc.
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Jim Romanski
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Well I had expected to hear more from the Olympus crowd when I posted this but they've been silent.
I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that the Canon XSi is a great all around camera and this is probably what I will get.
Also, there seems to be a large user base that I'll probably be needing to tap into.
-------------------- Jim
17.5" Dob "Project"
13.1" Coulter
8” Cave
NP 101 on a CG-5
25x100 binos
Naglers, Ethos, etc.
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Thomas A Davis
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Quote:
if you buy a lower canon , Xti or Xt, you will have to take and shot and focus or buy a accesori call stiletto focuser for this) of course right now its quiet expensive (body only like 650 to 700 dls) with lense kit around 850 dls.
The Canon XS (1000D)also has live view, and is even less expensive. I have both the XSi (unmodded), and the XS (Hutech modded), and not a whole lot of actual difference I can see. With a custom white balance, the XS takes great daylight pictures as well. For the OPs use, though, I would guess unmodded would be the plan, since daylight use would be the primary use.
Tom
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Neil
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I’m looking for recommendations on buying a DSLR camera to try my hand at astrophotography and to use extensively for daytime use.
So what do you recommend and why?
OK my take on this.
I also use a DSLR for use during the day and astro during the night.
I have tried Nikon, several models and I couldn't get on with them. I had a failure in the field as well (just out of warranty too) so it kind of soured my relationship.
Never tried Olympus cameras, so I tried canon.
Boy what a revelation, here in the UK the model is 450d and to me it has many plus points. It is a lot lighter than the Nikon equivalent (or its certainly lighter than the D70 I used to own). Some people don't like this, especially the canon 'die hards' as they say it equals poor build quality. I think thats bull and just means the camera is lighter!
Live view on the canon is fantastic and I can get critical focus in about 30 seconds to a minute. Lock it off and you can get on with imaging. No funny pieces of string or cardboard hanging off your scope...:)
As a daytime camera, the only gripe is that the jpegs are somewhat 'softer' than the nikons, but a little post process will take of that.
So (for me) the plus side: Lightweight live view great sensitivity as standard very good software included loads of information available as a lot of people use these cameras
Minus side: Jpegs soft in daytime mode Thats it!
Its your choice, but if I had to choose again I would pick the canon everytime.
Hope this helps, Neil.
PS I don't work for Canon by the way!
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Hi Neil - in a few minutes we're setting off for an early lunch and will pass-by Canon UK HQ in Reigate Surrey yet again and would love to pop-in complete with shopping bag at hand Nikon UK is at Kingston a few miles in the other direction
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Quote:
Well I had expected to hear more from the Olympus crowd
Possibly because there isn't one... 
XSi, sir, for all the reasons mentioned above. d.c.
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Jim Romanski
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Well thanks for the advice folks.
I've decided to get the Canon XSi. There's a great deal with the two "kit" lenses (18 - 55mm and 55 - 25mm) for less than $800.
I went to look at one the other day and it seems like a real gem.
I'm a bit worried that I'll actually enjoy astrophotography. This will cut into my Ethos budget and further contribute to my lost sleep. 
Then again my wife may enjoy it so much that she'll hide it from me.
-------------------- Jim
17.5" Dob "Project"
13.1" Coulter
8” Cave
NP 101 on a CG-5
25x100 binos
Naglers, Ethos, etc.
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