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Ron B[ee]
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Deep Sky Solar Systems? new
      #27863 - 12/11/03 06:23 PM

At first glance, the title seems contradictory ;-). Here's some background. I've been having lots of fun from my previous home backyard country sky observing many DSOs with passion. I was addicted to DSOs. It was great to not have to astro-commute (though dark skies when I get further out is pure heavenly). After moving back to the city and trying a few DSOs (both with my 4-inch TV-102 Light Cup and my 8-inch Newt), it was well, disappointing. Objects that used to look great, now look sort of bland, except for M42 ;-). The only other choices are: double stars/variables or astro-commuting. So while bruting over my new predicament and feeling sorely dejected, fate brought me to a whole new rejuvenation. Indeed, over two years
ago when I was looking for a telescopes, the general advice was that there are only a handful of solar systems objects to watch and tons of DSOs, especially when the planets aren't in sight.

I've just finished my new Moon book and have read several planetary observing books. While confiding what I've read with my Light Cup, here's what transpired.

Light Cup: "Well have I got a new gospel for you! Ready?"
Ron: "Go on, I'm half listening".
Light Cup: "There are 'deep sky objects' to be found right in the solar systems!"
Ron: "Yeah right [eyeball rolling]! You've got to do better than this."
Light Cup: "Let's examine the characteristics of visual DSOs:
- static (except for occasional supernova), nothing ever changed.
- faint and fuzzies
- what goes around comes around again every year ;-).
True new galaxies and other things are being discovered."
Ron: "True"
Light Cup: "Now let's examine the solar systems and we can see some similarities:
o static (Moon is pretty much dead)
o faint and fuzzies (those tiny rilles, jovian white ovals can be faint and fuzzies :-()
o the Moon and planets certainly comes around every year.
o planetary nebula w/w central star - lunar crater with central peaks
o planetary nebula, central star not seen - various planets and lunar crater without central peaks
o irregularly shape nebula - lunar mares, basins, faint comets without tail, sunspots
galaxies - oval, round lunar craters (having found needle shape object to match yet :-(), faint comets without tail, some sun spots look just like a galaxy if you reverse black/white your sketch or photo.
o open clusters - jovian/saturian moons in closed varying formation, lunar secondary craters
o supernova - brightening core of the comet ;-), flashes on Mars, comet crashing into Jupiter"
Ron: "Gotcha. There ain't no constellation in the solar systems!"
Light Cup: "Well there's the various lunar basins ;-)."
Ron: "Wait justa dog'on minute! You're twisting everything!"
Light Cup: "Go sleep on it ;-)".

In the night, a revelation came to me: the solar systems is not consisted of only a handful of objects as I was told but thousands of objects. How? Each features on the Moon is an object, each features on the planets is an object, each sun spots/prominence on the Sun is an object. The Light Cup just gave me a different but refreshing
pair of eyes to see distinctly.

So is this indeed a new revelation ;-) or just some deeply perverted misguided dream :-(?

Ron B[ee]
PS - This does not mean we should not try to continue to watch DSOs, double stars and variable stars, no way no how ;-).


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4-inch Tele Vue TV-102 APO
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Re: Deep Sky Solar Systems? new [Re: Ron B[ee]]
      #27913 - 12/11/03 08:47 PM

That must be one of the all time great and complicated rationalizations. And I must say I am vastly relieved to know I'm not the only one carrying on conversations with a telescope. I agree with it all, every last bit! I am currently re-entering astronomy, and have only a resurrected 30 year old 60mm refractor to work with. Rather than gnash my teeth over what I can't see with such a small scope, I've been using it to relearn my way around the sky. The views aren't always great (although I am frequently surprise), but are usually good enough to be sure of what I'm seeing. The moon figures prominently in all of this, of course. I'd forgetten what an amazing place the moon is.

So take it as a revelation. Your relocation has redirected your interests, not cancelled them. And besides, the DSOs will still be out there, when you can get out of town. Heck, I left 'em idle for 30 years, and they're all still there!

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Tom W.

SVP8 'She turned me into a 3-legged Newt' EQ
Ralph, the All-Purpose 102mm Refractor
Under the Desert Stars


Alcohol and calculus do not mix. Please don't drink and derive.



Edited by desertstars (12/11/03 08:48 PM)


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Re: Deep Sky Solar Systems? new [Re: desertstars]
      #28143 - 12/12/03 02:28 PM

Now WAIT ONE MINUTE HERE. I ALREADY talk to myself a LOT Now I have the delight in anticipating that I'm going to be talking to my little light bucket and having it answer me???? Sheesh, this is SOME hobby
Am I glad I got into it--at least on those lonely nights out by myself I'll have an entity with me LarryC

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Re: Deep Sky Solar Systems? new [Re: miniventures]
      #28215 - 12/12/03 05:45 PM

You're talking about a hobby where people willingly spend tons of money, freeze half to death or face mosquito induced anemia so they can squint past little bits of glass at stuff that happened a million years ago out in space. And you were expecting sanity? Of course you're glad you got into this. You're mad, quite mad, you know.

Just like the rest of us.

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Tom W.

SVP8 'She turned me into a 3-legged Newt' EQ
Ralph, the All-Purpose 102mm Refractor
Under the Desert Stars


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Re: Deep Sky Solar Systems? new [Re: desertstars]
      #28298 - 12/12/03 10:50 PM

That came strikingly close to sailboating.

I thought we just liked buying pretty shiny things.

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Re: Deep Sky Solar Systems? new [Re: rboe]
      #28382 - 12/13/03 10:15 AM

Quote:

That came strikingly close to sailboating.

I thought we just liked buying pretty shiny things.




Well, um, yes, there's that.

I'm sorry, I seem to have misplaced my medication. . .

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Tom W.

SVP8 'She turned me into a 3-legged Newt' EQ
Ralph, the All-Purpose 102mm Refractor
Under the Desert Stars


Alcohol and calculus do not mix. Please don't drink and derive.



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Ron B[ee]
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Re: Deep Sky Solar Systems? new [Re: desertstars]
      #28391 - 12/13/03 10:50 AM

Quote:

That must be one of the all time great and complicated rationalizations. So take it as a revelation. Your relocation has redirected your interests, not cancelled them. And besides, the DSOs will still be out there, when you can get out of town. Heck, I left 'em idle for 30 years, and they're all still there!




Thanks. Umm, the DSOs hasn't changed in 30 years .

Ron B[ee]


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4-inch Tele Vue TV-102 APO
8-inch f/6 Discovery PDHQ Dob


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Ron B[ee]
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Re: Deep Sky Solar Systems? [Re: miniventures]
      #28392 - 12/13/03 10:52 AM

Quote:

Now WAIT ONE MINUTE HERE. I ALREADY talk to myself a LOT LarryC




I find it less eyebrow raising when I talk to my Light Cup instead of to myself , Larry.

Ron B[ee]


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4-inch Tele Vue TV-102 APO
8-inch f/6 Discovery PDHQ Dob


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