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Lane
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CGEM mount carrying case
      #2938462 - 02/20/09 12:02 AM Attachment (278 downloads)

If you are looking for a small case to carry the CGEM mount, as opposed to the giant one available at some dealers. Then I suggest the Hardigg Storm Case model im2700, its a perfect fit. I started to get a pelican 1600 but the im2700 is slightly bigger and you need that slight difference to make it work. You will have to remove four of the knobs from the mount but you can hold the saddle springs in place with a single 8mm bolt or just replace them with star knobs (scopestuff has them). I used part of the white foam that the mount was shipped in along with the pick and pluck case foam and glued it all together to make a very stable enclosure. The case also holds the counterweight bar and its big locking screw along with the 4 bolts that were removed to make it all fit.

Total Weight - 55 lbs

Edited by Lane (02/21/09 10:05 PM)


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Lane]
      #2938514 - 02/20/09 12:43 AM Attachment (159 downloads)

I also found this inexpensive little im2075 case to hold my weights. I don't use the 17.5 lb weight that came with the cgem. I prefer to use the 11 lb cg-5 style weights instead. Three of them are just right to balance the C11 and they fit perfectly in this case.

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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Lane]
      #2938523 - 02/20/09 12:47 AM

I got the iM2720, it is a little deeper than the iM2700, and it has wheels. The wheels are great for an old guy like me. The case and CGEM together weigh 62 lbs, too much for me to carry very far.

I like your idea of taking the counterweight bar apart.


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: J_D_Metzger]
      #2938569 - 02/20/09 01:43 AM

The pelican 1600 works great also.
If anyone has a link for some decent pricing on replacement foam,it would be appreciated.
I use my pelican case for a number of different telescopes,and new foam would make my life easier.

Some I've seen run $50?



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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: TheMenace]
      #2938585 - 02/20/09 02:00 AM

B&H had the best pricess on the cases once I added in shipping cost, which is very high at some of the other vendors. So maybe they have a good price on the foam you are looking for.

I use the Pelican 1600 for my eyepieces and it is almost identical to the Hardigg im2700 except that the inside width of the 1600 case is 1 inch smaller than the im2700. I felt like I wanted that extra half inch of foam on each side since it is already pretty tight. I would say after buying both I feel like the Pelican foam is of higher quality than the Hardigg foam. Otherwise there isn't much difference. The Hardigg latches are kind of nice though. I also found out that Pelican owns Hardigg now. Seems like they would stop making the same size cases and have one company make a bunch of new sizes.


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Lane]
      #2938632 - 02/20/09 03:43 AM

I use both of these exact same cases

The 2700 for ep's, diagonal, filters, etc. and the 2075 for DewBuster and Dew Not strips.

I prefer the latches on the Storm to the Pelican. Also the rubberized handles on the Storm cases are more comfortable.

Barry


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Barry C]
      #2938788 - 02/20/09 07:45 AM

A waterproof foam lined case for counterweights, essentially inert lumps of iron. Now I've seen everything.

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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Luigi]
      #2939765 - 02/20/09 04:48 PM

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A waterproof foam lined case for counterweights, essentially inert lumps of iron. Now I've seen everything.




I'll admit it seemed like overkill to me at first, but everytime I accelerate or stop the car those weights would slide around in trunk and an 11 lb chuck of metal can be somewhat destructive. So I wanted to get a case to protect everything else from those weights. I looked at other options but this case was the only thing I could find that would hold the weights without breaking or having the handle come off and it was only 40 dollars.


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Lane]
      #2940259 - 02/20/09 09:36 PM

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I'll admit it seemed like overkill to me at first, but everytime I accelerate or stop the car those weights would slide around in trunk and an 11 lb chuck of metal can be somewhat destructive.




My sentiment exactly. I use a soft side cooler for my mount case and soft side lunch boxes for the counter weights. I really like the counterweight case, for it's stability in the trunk and it's handle.


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Jeff in Austin]
      #2940452 - 02/20/09 11:52 PM

I put my CGEM in a Pelican 1610. Fitment was really quite good.





The rolling wheels with the pop up handle is a nice touch.


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: NickCat]
      #2940807 - 02/21/09 09:29 AM

Lowes has a wide selection of heavy duty nylon tool bags with metal frames. I use a small one for carrying my 18 AH battery, cables, hand controller, CW, and other items. A larger one would be good for a mount, etc. Price was around $12 for the small one. I set it on the ground beneath tripod. IMO, it seems a bit less over-the-top than a Pelican type case for counterweights. But I also think a Pelican case is way overkill for EPs.

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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Lane]
      #2940865 - 02/21/09 10:06 AM


I'll admit it seemed like overkill to me at first, but everytime I accelerate or stop the car those weights would slide around in trunk and an 11 lb chuck of metal can be somewhat destructive.




So now you have a 33+ pound chunk of plastic sliding around your trunk!

Beo


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Luigi]
      #2941365 - 02/21/09 03:00 PM

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But I also think a Pelican case is way overkill for EPs.





Surely that is relative to the cost of the ep's

Barry


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Luigi]
      #2941686 - 02/21/09 05:57 PM

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Lowes has a wide selection of heavy duty nylon tool bags with metal frames. I use a small one for carrying my 18 AH battery, cables, hand controller, CW, and other items. A larger one would be good for a mount, etc. Price was around $12 for the small one. I set it on the ground beneath tripod. IMO, it seems a bit less over-the-top than a Pelican type case for counterweights. But I also think a Pelican case is way overkill for EPs.




I actually tried a lowes tool bag for the weights but it broke, that was when I ordered the hardigg case. Nothing else I could find weighing so little could carry this kind of weight. So it isn't a question of providing a water tight case for weights it is simply that there is no other good alternative. Anything you buy at a hardware store to hold these weights securely is going to weigh quite a lot itself and I want the weight of the case to contribute strength not more weight. If you have never used one of the these cases you would be shocked at how strong they are, I was very impressed when I ordered my first Pelican case a few months ago.


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Barry C]
      #2941700 - 02/21/09 06:03 PM

Quote:

Quote:

But I also think a Pelican case is way overkill for EPs.





Surely that is relative to the cost of the ep's

Barry




Exactly right, there is a lot of money inside that Pelican 1600. Before I got it I was using three smaller soft cases but I got to thinking how easy it would be to lose a lot of money fast even in a minor fender bender car accident. I am pretty certain the auto insurance company will not pay for that and I am not even sure my home owners policy would cover it either.


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Lane]
      #2942487 - 02/22/09 08:18 AM

This is kind of a silly discussion, but what the heck. It IS cloudy out.

There's nothing I'm going to subject any of my astro gear to that remotely requires a Pelican case. For one thing, eyepieces are not at all fragile, and there's no good reason to put them in a waterproof case, unless you plan on traveling by small boat in open seas. As for car accidents, it'd take a big one to damage any gear, and then I'd be more worried about flying gear damaging me. If you buy a toolbag to carry your weights, examine it and use your good judgement as to whether it is adequate for the task. How strong is the plastic handle on that Hardigg case? It'd be bad if it broke and the weight laden case landed on a foot.

An expensive case is not insurance. It certainly doesn't insure against the most likely hazard, theft, and might actually invite it. IMO, if you have to rely on insurance to replace your astro gear, you should have less gear and more savings.


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Luigi]
      #2942607 - 02/22/09 10:11 AM

Even though the eyepieces don't "require" a hard case, what is the harm in putting them in one? I could care less about the waterproof aspect of the cases, my primary goal is to provide a protected, easy to store case for my equipment.

I see the cases, ever the more expensive ones, as providing me piece of mind, ease of transport, and safe and stackable storage.

We all spend so much on the equipment we put inside these cases (wherever you buy them from), what's the stigma about spending money on the cases themselves?

Certainly there are less expensive cases to buy, but doesn't that come down to personal preference?


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: NickCat]
      #2942657 - 02/22/09 10:49 AM

I think this is a great discussion. Lane, you've inspired me to get off my rear and order some Storm cases for my EQ6, spring galaxy season is coming and that hopefully means trips to the pit.
Putting the counter weights in a case is a great idea, now you have a simple tie down point to keep things stationary, or a more convenient way of keeping a counterweight from sliding under a seat under braking. Mine spent a couple trips clinking together and have the paint chips to prove it.
As far as water proof cases, does that not make them dust proof also? I don't know about others but I like to take care of my hard earned astro purchases and cheap and good enough don't apply to precision optics.
Again, great job on the cases and thanks for sharing.


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Luigi]
      #2943182 - 02/22/09 03:39 PM

I for one, like cases. I like to organize my stuff and plan out cases for it. Some people love to make elaborate wood work eyepiece boxes and observing chairs that turn into carts. Some prefer to use old plastic toolboxes for their gear. Who cares? No need to criticize people for their quirks in what is most definitely a quirky hobby... IMHO...

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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Barry C]
      #2944111 - 02/23/09 01:32 AM

We may as well give up on Luigi guys. I think he is destined to keep all his equipment in old shoe boxes and paper bags. All these cases and organizing I have been doing over the last few months has made it so I can actually use my hobby room again. Until I got onto this storage case kick all my astro gear was just laying all over that room. I could barely walk around in there. Should make going to dark site much easier too, now I just have to grab 5 cases and I am ready to go, sure beats that long checklist I was using before to make sure I didn't leave anything behind. I actually drove all the way up to the site one time and forgot the hand controller and my 2" diagonal.

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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Lane]
      #2944247 - 02/23/09 05:00 AM

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Should make going to dark site much easier too, now I just have to grab 5 cases and I am ready to go, sure beats that long checklist I was using before to make sure I didn't leave anything behind.





Exactly. And, around here those clear nights come so infrequently that it's pretty easy to forget something in the excitement to pack the truck and get outside when it actually is a good night.

Barry


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Lane]
      #2944335 - 02/23/09 07:59 AM

>>>I think he is destined to keep all his equipment in old shoe boxes and paper bags<<<

Hey! I like the concept! Recycle, low carbon footprint, and all that. I have made cases out of shipping boxes and their foam by reinforcing the cardboard and covering it with box tape. But in actuality, I'm a bit of a case junky myself. I get my jollies by going cheap; using plastic tool boxes, storage boxes from Walmart or Home Depot, etc.. Just something practical to get the job done.


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Luigi]
      #2944620 - 02/23/09 11:18 AM

Considering that I keep about $2,500 worth of accessories in it, I don't think a $175 Pelican case for that purpose is unreasonable or silly...

But a Pelican for counterweights? I lean toward Luigi on that one...I keep mine in a small Igloo lunchbox cooler...


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: J_D_Metzger]
      #2944665 - 02/23/09 11:46 AM

My counterweights go in the back seat floor board when not on the counterweight shaft. My mount head (an Atlas) goes in a surplus UPS hard case with aftermarket foam - flat, high density with a layer of soft flat on one side and egg crate medium density on the other. The only alternate solution I might consider for hauling counterweights is the JMI Counterweight Caddy. $39 with the advantage of securing all the weights in one place.

http://www.astronomics.com/main/product.asp/catalog_name/astronomics/category_name/3NQ6R1TANAHP9H7JKURQ64G777/product_id/255CWT

If I had a truly expensive mount, like an Astro-Physics 900 or 1200 or Takahashi NJP, I would probably spring for a nice case from Scopeguard or perhaps Pelican. But the Atlas is not an expensive mount. It's really inexpensive as mounts go. Thus I use mine with impunity and put it in a case only for convenience and protection of other more delicate gear like OTAs that also go in the cargo area of the vehicle.

For eyepieces, I prefer a hard case with foam that holds each eyepiece securely. I'm not concerned about waterproofing though I do ususaly throw a dessicant satchel or two into each case. In thirty five years of observing, with a collection of 90+ eyepieces currently, I've never had an issue with eyepiece damage. In fact, I'd say you're far more likely to damage an eyepiece due to accidental dropping when swapping it to or from the diagonal than you are from transporting it.

Oh, and I do NOT put all of my eyepieces in a single case. There's no more attractive mark to a would-be star party thief than a large, expensive Pelican case brimming with green-paint eyepieces. I generally have three or four cases on site, and use one while I store the others securely in the vehicle. In fact, it might be a good idea to label your eyepiece cases with things like "Spare Parts," "Cheap-o Eyepieces," "Misc. Cables and Adapters," etc.

Now if I was traveling up the crocodile-infested Zambezi in an open boat to meet with a rebel warlord with all of my high end camera gear, I *might* opt for a Pelican case...

Regards,

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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #2945375 - 02/23/09 06:27 PM

"My counterweights go in the back seat floor board when not on the counterweight shaft"

You should rethink this idea, search around the web and see the number of fatal accidents caused when small objects like this slid forward under then seat and lodged under the break pedal. It happens a lot. Got to be careful putting anything small and heavy like this on a rear floor board. Then there the problem of what happens in a accident, you just don't want things like this loose in the car.


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: J_D_Metzger]
      #2945381 - 02/23/09 06:31 PM

Quote:

Considering that I keep about $2,500 worth of accessories in it, I don't think a $175 Pelican case for that purpose is unreasonable or silly...

But a Pelican for counterweights? I lean toward Luigi on that one...I keep mine in a small Igloo lunchbox cooler...




To each his own, and the igloo cooler is not a bad idea I might have done that if I had thought about it, but a cooler to fit these weighs would only be about 20 dollars less that the hardigg case. Not much more for something that locks tight and isn't going to wear out.


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Lane]
      #2945752 - 02/23/09 10:00 PM

"You should rethink this idea, search around the web and see the number of fatal accidents caused when small objects like this slid forward under then seat and lodged under the break pedal."

Not possible with my car. There's a tall, carpeted burm under the front edge of the driver's and front passenger's seats that does not allow anything to slide from the back seat floor board to the front seat floor boards.

Likewise, in an accident those counterweights won't go very far as there's plenty of other stuff like winter coats, eyepiece cases, charts and books, etc., on top of them and trapped by the headrests of the back seats which are folded flat. I've done 30 mile jaunts on unpaved rocky trails in New Mexico with the car loaded this way and haven't had anything move an inch.

Not every car is as well thought out, but heck, that's what makes a Subaru a Subaru. Engineers rather than accountants doing the thinking.

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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Barry C]
      #2945842 - 02/23/09 10:39 PM

IMHO if you want to protect your astro gear and your vehicle's occupants with a collection of sable coats, it is your personal perogative. If keeping things together in tidey water tight cases helps keep your gear organized (and Lord knows I could use some help with organizing my astro gear) more power to you! I certainly think the idea of putting the mount head in a Pelican case is very appealing, and certainly can appreciate the appeal of limiting the chances of solid lead projectiles flying around inside the car.

"Oh sorry, it looks like I might have to stop quick better duck..."

Great ideas, thanks for sharing.

Cheers!


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: NickCat]
      #3486428 - 12/06/09 11:26 AM

Nick, this looks great. How did you get the foam to cut so neatly?

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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: ccreigh]
      #3494104 - 12/10/09 01:37 PM

I have a Pelican 1650 for my CGEM and it works great.

The carrier for the weights that Astronomics has looks like the handle may not hold up for long.
I have devised a carrier for my weights, I got the idea on here some where. I will post pictures later.


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: MrKrink]
      #3499377 - 12/13/09 02:55 PM

Pelican 1650 for CGEM..............




And I made this little diddy for my weights. I think I got the idea from some one here, but don't remember who.



It was about $15.00...............

2 3/4" x 8" bolts and nuts
1 1/4" x .125" flat steel
3/4" Heater hose.
Small bungee cord.

Works like a charm!!!


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Luigi]
      #3499767 - 12/13/09 06:59 PM

Quote:

>>>I think he is destined to keep all his equipment in old shoe boxes and paper bags<<<

Hey! I like the concept! Recycle, low carbon footprint, and all that. I have made cases out of shipping boxes and their foam by reinforcing the cardboard and covering it with box tape. But in actuality, I'm a bit of a case junky myself. I get my jollies by going cheap; using plastic tool boxes, storage boxes from Walmart or Home Depot, etc.. Just something practical to get the job done.




I do the same.

I have tens of thousands of dollars of equipment in $5 Goodwill suitcases, $20 Walmart/Home Depot/Lowes toolboxes, $7 Salvation Army footlockers and homemade cases worth a few dollars. All these cases serve well the purpose to protect the scopes and their accessories. It is just a matter of priorities...do you want to use your hobby budget to buy expensive optics or expensive cases? Either approach gets you nice stuff but only one allows you see the real goal..the sky.


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: J_D_Metzger]
      #3499775 - 12/13/09 07:08 PM

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Considering that I keep about $2,500 worth of accessories in it, I don't think a $175 Pelican case for that purpose is unreasonable or silly...

But a Pelican for counterweights? I lean toward Luigi on that one...I keep mine in a small Igloo lunchbox cooler...




Used coolers make excellent cases.


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: AlienFirstClass]
      #3499866 - 12/13/09 07:52 PM

I have a CGE 1100 scope. I bought a used Pelican 1650 case for which celestron specifically sized their cardboard box and foam. I'm glad I spent the $125 for that. For my OTA I use a Lowes plastic box that was $25. I use a Husky tool bag that was $8 at home depot and for the tripod I think santa is bringing me a Gator padded drum bag. I also have a Stanley toolbox ($20) that holds my power pack in the bottom sections and tools + eyepieces up top.

I feel that I have the appropriate protection for a good price for each piece. I looked at the Pelican 1660 for the OTA but given I don't plan to ship and still have the original box, I could not justify the money.

-Paul


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: AlienFirstClass]
      #3510143 - 12/19/09 10:28 AM

$5.00 worth of life insurance is just as good as a$1,000,000,000.00, because after all...YOUR'E DEAD!

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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: RTLR 12]
      #3511852 - 12/20/09 08:48 AM

http://www.all-pelican-cases-4-less.com/detail_pelican_1650.html

AWESOME price for a 1650case w/no foam.. GREAT for the CGEM owners who still have the original packing foam..


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: BCB]
      #3513509 - 12/21/09 08:51 AM

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http://www.all-pelican-cases-4-less.com/detail_pelican_1650.html

AWESOME price for a 1650case w/no foam.. GREAT for the CGEM owners who still have the original packing foam..




Keep a check on ebay....I got mine on ebay for $125.00 delivered, N.I.B. with uncut foam!!!


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: MrKrink]
      #4086765 - 10/01/10 10:04 PM

Can someone confirm that the Pelican 1650 case will fit the CGEM packaging - I dont want to use the pluck foam, hopeing to make the original packaging work. Any other cases known to fit it? Looking for a great deal.

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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: faltered]
      #4087065 - 10/02/10 02:00 AM

You might want to reconcider that. The cases most of us are using are no larger than a normal suitcase, easy to carry and pack. Celestron ships that mount with the axis rotated to the position where it waste the most amount of space in the case. Making the original shipping foam really big. Will you want to carry that big case around in a vehicle? It doesn't leave as much room for other stuff. The pick a pluck foam in these cases is really nice and easy to work with. Especially the Storm Case. The Pelican foam is a bit softer and does not have as much support IMO but still works fine with the CGEM mount.

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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Lane]
      #4088381 - 10/02/10 06:55 PM

I use a Pelican 1600. I get most everything in there with that.

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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Luigi]
      #4088898 - 10/03/10 12:27 AM

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Lowes has a wide selection of heavy duty nylon tool bags with metal frames. I use a small one for carrying my 18 AH battery, cables, hand controller, CW, and other items. A larger one would be good for a mount, etc. Price was around $12 for the small one. I set it on the ground beneath tripod. IMO, it seems a bit less over-the-top than a Pelican type case for counterweights. But I also think a Pelican case is way overkill for EPs.




That 1610 must be larger than my 1600. Wheels notwhistanding.

My CGEM fits in the 1600 but I can't get the counterbalance shaft & associated parts in there ...


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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: Lane]
      #4094059 - 10/05/10 10:04 AM

This is a great thread. Thank you for the information

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Re: CGEM mount carrying case new [Re: MrKrink]
      #4225495 - 12/03/10 12:00 PM

This photo was perfect for me! It now has a twin 1650 case (tan) in use in Texas!!

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