danner
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on the outer edge of view but sharp in the middle out to 85% of the field of view? I take it to mean the focus is not sharp on the outer edge. What causes that? Astigmatism?
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THESKY
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It is called curvature . . . usually caused by your EP.
Astigmatism is when you make the star image out of focus
the form is elliptical (it should be perfect circle). And when you rack the focuser in and out, the ellipse inside focus is 90 degrees to the outside focus.
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danner
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Thanks.
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KWB
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I disagree. To me it means a view with noticeably less
contrast and definition/sharpness. That's a simplistic
answer. Astigmatism and FC are different matters. I don't
equate them to "soft".
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Edited by KWB (04/24/07 03:24 AM)
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BluewaterObserva
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Your eye piece may be contributing.
Might it be coma? coma is a natural abberation of the parabola. Hard to tell from the description.
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It could be a number of things. It could also be several things happening at once.
WHAT DO ABERRATIONS LOOK LIKE
ON_AXIS
Generally, not all aberrations are seen on-axis. The on-axis image created by aberrations is as follows:
curvature not seen on-axis.
coma not seen on-axis.
If the stars seem never to focus to a fine point, but at best remain slightly bloated and are still circular, and it cannot be focused out it is probably spherical aberration.
If the star seems to not come into sharp focus it may be astigmatism. If astigmatism is severe, then on-axis focused images will show a very small cross, never a fine pinpoint. Passing in and out of focus will show the out-of-focus image to flip orientation by 90°.
Longitudinal CA will produce softness of image focus of perfectly on-axis objects because all colors in the spectrum will not come to focus at the same point. Sometimes seen as a small circular band of color arounnd a finely focused star point.
OFF_AXIS
As for how you notice stars in the outer fov, the image created by aberrations is as follows:
If the star seems slightly bloated, but it can be refocused down to a finer point, then it is curvature.
If the stars seem flared as wedges with the point towards the middle and the flared wedge toward the outer edge, then it is coma. It cannot be focused out.
If the stars seem slightly bloated but are still circular, and it cannot be focused out it is spherical aberration.
If the star seems slightly bloated and slightly elongated than it is astigmatism. Astigmatism will show elongated images off axis. If astigmatism is severe, then on-axis focused images will show a very small cross, never a fine pinpoint.
If you have both astigmatism and coma, the off axis images will look like comets with an oblong axis, or like seagulls.
Longitudinal CA will produce softness of image focus of perfectly on-axis objects because all colors in the spectrum will not come to focus at the same point.
Lateral CA will produce color fringes around all bright objects when viewed slightly off axis, but you should see a different color towards the lens center than you see towards the lens edge.
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Edz: Thanks for posting this great explanation. This would be a good post to "sticky" at the top of the forum, so it doesn't get buried.
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I'll go ahead and make it sticky now
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Thanks Pete! Edz explanation is the best I've seen to explain all of this. This will give us something to refer others to read.
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Thanks, Ed Z.! Great explanation!
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Ed's the man!!
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karim
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I must be lucky, I have never experienced any of these symptoms. I have a C8 and use
13mm T6
9mm T6
7.5 mm Parks golden Series
2x Parks Barlow
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Speaking non-technically, to me a "soft" view means you are turning the focus knob on an out-of-focus object to bring it into focus. Before you get to that crisp image we all like so much, the focus starts moving out-of-focus the other way. Optics, atmosphere... different causes.
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I think I've experienced all of these with my eyes if I take off my glasses. 
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Me too...clear skies 
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Quote:
It could be a number of things. It could also be several things happening at once.
WHAT DO ABERRATIONS LOOK LIKE
ON_AXIS
Generally, not all aberrations are seen on-axis. The on-axis image created by aberrations is as follows:
curvature not seen on-axis.
coma not seen on-axis.
If the stars seem never to focus to a fine point, but at best remain slightly bloated and are still circular, and it cannot be focused out it is probably spherical aberration.
If the star seems to not come into sharp focus it may be astigmatism. If astigmatism is severe, then on-axis focused images will show a very small cross, never a fine pinpoint. Passing in and out of focus will show the out-of-focus image to flip orientation by 90°.
Longitudinal CA will produce softness of image focus of perfectly on-axis objects because all colors in the spectrum will not come to focus at the same point. Sometimes seen as a small circular band of color arounnd a finely focused star point.
OFF_AXIS
As for how you notice stars in the outer fov, the image created by aberrations is as follows:
If the star seems slightly bloated, but it can be refocused down to a finer point, then it is curvature.
If the stars seem flared as wedges with the point towards the middle and the flared wedge toward the outer edge, then it is coma. It cannot be focused out.
If the stars seem slightly bloated but are still circular, and it cannot be focused out it is spherical aberration.
If the star seems slightly bloated and slightly elongated than it is astigmatism. Astigmatism will show elongated images off axis. If astigmatism is severe, then on-axis focused images will show a very small cross, never a fine pinpoint.
If you have both astigmatism and coma, the off axis images will look like comets with an oblong axis, or like seagulls.
Longitudinal CA will produce softness of image focus of perfectly on-axis objects because all colors in the spectrum will not come to focus at the same point.
Lateral CA will produce color fringes around all bright objects when viewed slightly off axis, but you should see a different color towards the lens center than you see towards the lens edge.
edz
excellent !!
concise, simple, and informative 
now, what can be done to fix all of the above ???
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I too think that Edz's excellent posting ought to be a sticky.
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