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NigelR
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Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105...)
      #2950619 - 02/26/09 10:17 AM

Hi all :-)

As requested, a short note (actually longer than originally intended but you are under no obligation to read!) re my understanding of the Mead ETX series following successful resolution by the South African importer / distributor (Lynx Optics) of a problem with eyepiece holder contrasting with various ‘negative’ comments regarding the ETX product as noted in various forums / discussion groups.

First let me make clear that I am a NOVICE where things astronomical are concerned, secondly I have no hidden agenda regarding my positive outlook on the ETX and the following comments are my own based on interpretation and analysis of available data.

As an introduction I believe it important to establish WHY I chose an ETX 105 as my ‘first’ telescope as this point (the WHY) should be (in my opinion) fundamental to ANY decision making process be it telescope, motor car or whatever…
So, what were my decision criteria? After reading LOTS of material, research on the world wide wait plus life long interest in all things scientific and couple visits to planetarium / star party / astronomy club get togethers, I determined the equipment best suited for MY AMATEUR ASTRONOMY NEEDS would be a) portable b) adequate performance (optically) c) affordable d) provide a ‘learning’ platform.

Why the ETX 105? To me, the ETX appear as a SYSTEM approach in that not only is the model a GOOD (debatable according to some reports but this is MY assessment based on MY research!) optical device but also combines the EDUCATIONAL ability of having required electronics and capability of GOTO function. Size wise the 105 seemed to be most appropriate as a “grab n go” unit especially when considering cost difference for the next (ETX 125) model in the range.

Why NOT! Some of the ‘negative’ comments I have read regarding the ETX series (not just 105) albeit AFTER I had made purchase (mid 2006!) include poor build quality, poor design (e.g. no hard stops on drive), better value (optical) to be obtained by not having the GOTO functionality, unreliable (e.g. erratic sensing of ‘position’) and in general several authors commenting would “not buy again”…

So after my recent experience (see topic "New (but old) 105 with problem eyepiece fitting...") and request to ‘reveal’ my ‘enlightenment’ the ‘insights’ I obtain during my chats with and visit to Glenn (technician at Lynx Optics South Africa) are (in no particular order or importance nor that spectacular):
1 - Design of ETX DOES include ‘hard stops’ despite some reports to the contrary. Perhaps the unlucky author of comments such as these obtained their ETX as a pre owned with who knows what history?
2 - Lack of any electrical PROTECTION e,g fuse or diode is an accepted ‘cost saving measure’ and apparently as a business (Mead) the decision to continue manufacturing WITHOUT this enhancement is purely economic… (this is one of the ‘iffy’ points) and when apparently debated (by technicians from around the world attending Mead factory training) the answer is always the same – cost!
3 - Although of sound design (which I believe the ETX is), assembly can (and does in all forms of manufacturing) affect end user experience and there is acknowledgement that there have been times when quality control (or I suspect ‘lack of’!) has resulted in batches of models that do not meet end user expectations. An example could be the base wiring that was ‘faulty’ resulting in the many reported cases of ‘stripped insulation and subsequent failures’ or ‘too much grease on the gear train resulting in the optical encoders not working as designed’. Would seem that you can only obtain a hand built (blueprinted in engineering terms) assembly if you pay for ‘bespoke’ labour and I would guess that 99.9% of ‘choice’ made by amateurs is based on price so hence “get what you pay for”! I can add that when chatting to Glenn prior to submitting this post (as a courtesy) he informed me that due to some ‘quality issues’ production (of all or part I do not know) of Mead equipment has moved from China back to Mexico…
4 – As a LEARNING PLATFORM what would be better? I can (will soon – promise <smile>) explore the heavens as my fancy takes me, I can benefit from those who are MUCH more knowledgeable and go on THEIR GUIDED TOURS and see the WOW! I can learn to appreciate the limitations of the particular optical configuration (long focal length and all other aspects of the design including limited aperture) such that if I want to specialise or enhance my viewing in the future, I have a reference point on which to make a sound decision. I can EXPERIMENT with a host of readily available accessories including modified web cam photography (already have my Philips Tucam pro ready for modification!) or whatever becomes my preferred aspect of the hobby.
I could probably write MUCH more but that will take time that could be better spent completing other tasks that once will enable me to USE WHAT I HAVE (the Mead ETX 105), which according to many is the BEST equipment to own (USING what you have, not the ETX 105!!)! Here endeth my mutterings. Have FUN and as always, KEEP SMILING :-) Nigel R


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Re: Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105...) new [Re: NigelR]
      #2950710 - 02/26/09 11:01 AM

Yes-- you will need to PRY my ETX90 away from my cold dead hands.

I usually use it when I am too lazy to carry the bigger scopes outside-- gotos are good-- the only downside is the short learning curve READ THE MANUAL!-- and the limited aperture for my suburban light polluted skies.

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Re: Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105...) new [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #2951187 - 02/26/09 03:09 PM

Thanks for posting that Nigel.

Having worked in a high-tech R&D environment for a while I know that the 3 most important things to any business are:

1) cost!

2) Cost!!

3) COST!!!

Things are trimmed down to the bare-bone - your example is the non-inclusion of a fuse or diode to protect the electronics.

Can't wait for your "First Light" report (with photos too if you can manage any!)

Good luck & dark skies. Enjoy your ETX buddy!

Art

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Meade ETX105 (a nice "Grab & Go" scope) & Celestron NexStar 6SE with Bob's Knobs.

Various EP's from 6mm to 26mm, Baader Hyperion 8-24mm Zoom, a 2x Barlow, 2" diagonal and 7Ah PowerTank.
MRF and Antares 8x50 RACI finder scope - both for the 6SE's OTA, whilst the ETX gets a plain RDF.

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Re: Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105...) new [Re: Arthur Dent]
      #2970904 - 03/08/09 01:05 AM

I used a Meade ETX-125 for 4 years and liked a great deal. I got a binoviewer, loved it, and went to an 8" SCT because of better brightness and resolution with the increase in aperture. I think the ETX is a fabulous scope and is ideal for quick grab-and-go setup, offering sharp contrasty views in monocular mode with no need for collimation. I never understood why Meade marketed a 105mm aperture ETX (and why Celestron makes 5,6,8,9-1/4, and 11 inch SCT's, for that matter). Just the same, I'd heartily endorse getting an ETX as a first and even only telescope as long as binoviewing isn't a prominent requirement for you. One advantage of the Mak-Cas design is that expensive eyepieces are unnecessary with their F15 optics. Another thing I liked was that by holding down the goto button, a spiral search is engaged which greatly facillitates manually hunting celestial objects. I liked bypassing the goto function frequently as I felt I could learn the night sky this way. As far as I know, this feature is not available on the Celestron goto handset.

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Re: Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105 new [Re: teskridg]
      #2971848 - 03/08/09 03:28 PM

Greetings Tim and thank you for endorsing my thoughts re the ETX! Unfortunatly still not been able to arrange 'first light' but believe have have several 'legitimate' excuses such as eldest son's wedding, business (I work for myself) and overseas visitors for past two weeks+.... Your note re the 'spiral search' feature is interesting and most certainly something I am going to try! As can probably be assumed from my posting thus far, I am a novice regarding astronomy but am keen to learn and the more I learn the less I seem to know <BIG SMILE>! Have recently 'found' a FANTASTIC pod cast called Astronomycast which I find VERY interesting and informative and have downloaded ALL archived episodes <http://www.astronomycast.com/archive/> and created CD copies (about 43+ episodes per CD) which are now my regular 'listening' when travelling alone in car (used to be classic FM!) with result that there are LOTS of things I am now wishing to go and find in the night sky using the ETX :-) Have also just purchased a book (written specifically for this part of the world) with title "Stargazing from game reserves in South Africa" as the plan is to combine our love of the 'bush veld', 4 x 4 travel and astronomy to take advantage of 'dark skys' using a f14 or so GOTO telescope, i.e. My Mead ETX 105!!! Time to sign off with thanks again for your feedback which is MUCH appreciated. Remember to KEEP SMILING! VBR Nigel R

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Re: Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105 new [Re: NigelR]
      #2971854 - 03/08/09 03:33 PM

Oops! Title of book should be Stargazing from game reserves in SOUTHERN AFRICA (author Anthony Fairall - Published by New Holland - a member of the Johnnic Communications group - www.struik.co.za Sorry for the error.... VBR Nigel R

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Re: Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105 new [Re: NigelR]
      #2972073 - 03/08/09 05:07 PM

Quote:

Have recently 'found' a FANTASTIC pod cast called Astronomycast which I find VERY interesting and informative and have downloaded ALL archived episodes <http://www.astronomycast.com/archive/> and created CD copies (about 43+ episodes per CD) which are now my regular 'listening' when travelling alone in car (used to be classic FM!)




Not to stray off topic, but Astronomy Cast is FANTASTIC!
I often listen to it while at work...

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• Meade ETX-125/AT, f/15
• WO ZenithStar 66 SD APO, f/5.9
• Zeiss 50/540 ATM Refractor, f/10.8
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Re: Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105 new [Re: Jaimo!]
      #2974785 - 03/09/09 09:50 PM

Weasner's Mighty ETX Site is an outstanding resource for these telescopes with answers to countless minute questions concerning all things ETX.

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Re: Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105 new [Re: teskridg]
      #2976709 - 03/10/09 10:02 PM

hi nigelR,i have a etx-105ec. its at least 3 years old.i have not ever had a problem with it. it has hard stops. the only thing wrong with mine is. it sits in the house beside my lx-90 10 in way too much.but i did get it out last nite for 30 min. the clouds covered the moon. clr skys

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Re: Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105 new [Re: will w]
      #2977296 - 03/11/09 08:59 AM

My only comment is in regard to some complaining that the ETX Scopes have no "fuse" to protect the electronics. Sorry Guys and Girls but a fuse would NOT protect the electronics from overvoltage. Electronic devices are killed instantly by over-voltage. Fuses melt (burn out) much more slowly when excess "current" is applied.

John

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My wife shares my love of the night skies and tolerates all of my other hobbies.
Televue Pronto w/Starbeam pointer and Televue tripod
Meade 2045D, ETX-125PE, 12" Lightbridge
Celestron: 7Amp PowerTank, 15X70mm binoculars
Meade, Swan and Televue Lenses (33, 26, 20, 15 & 9mm), Televue Barlow
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Re: Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105 new [Re: JT5]
      #2977907 - 03/11/09 02:32 PM

Hi John

What about "fast-blow" or "quick-blow" fuses?

Art

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If I like it, the wife says that we can't afford it!
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Meade ETX105 (a nice "Grab & Go" scope) & Celestron NexStar 6SE with Bob's Knobs.

Various EP's from 6mm to 26mm, Baader Hyperion 8-24mm Zoom, a 2x Barlow, 2" diagonal and 7Ah PowerTank.
MRF and Antares 8x50 RACI finder scope - both for the 6SE's OTA, whilst the ETX gets a plain RDF.

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Re: Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105 new [Re: Arthur Dent]
      #2977946 - 03/11/09 02:52 PM

Quote:

Hi John

What about "fast-blow" or "quick-blow" fuses?

Art



What about sticking a zener diode across the input and a whacking great capacitor across the power bus rails?

Fuses protect against excess current; it's voltage that is the hazard.


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Re: Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105 new [Re: brianb11213]
      #2979477 - 03/12/09 11:22 AM

Greetings again from sunny SA (it WILL be tomorrow) but maybe I should be considering the 'clear NIGHT sky'... Oh, well... Good to read more comments and my plan for 'protection' of ETX when using external power source will be 1/ reverse polarity diode (nominal .7 v drop across not an issue when using external batt / power supply)and 2/ for 'over voltage protection' combination of suitable zenner (5W 14v ish) AND a fuse should work as when zenner starts to conduct (due to over volts) the increase current should blow the fuse and isolate the feed. There are some VERY fast switching devices available but perhaps above will be all that is required? Alternative is to wire a bridge rectifier in circuit (and then the zenner) and then not a problem (polarity wise) whichever way external power connected but there will be a bigger voltage drop (2 diodes not one in circuit). Just a thought... KEEP SMILING :-) VBR Nigel R

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Re: Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105 new [Re: brianb11213]
      #2979632 - 03/12/09 12:59 PM

The ONLY way a Zener could be used is AFTER a "dropping" resistor that would be need to get the current level through the Zener to a level that is within the working capacity of that device. Remember E (voltage) = I (current in Amps)X R (resistance in Ohms).

John



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My wife shares my love of the night skies and tolerates all of my other hobbies.
Televue Pronto w/Starbeam pointer and Televue tripod
Meade 2045D, ETX-125PE, 12" Lightbridge
Celestron: 7Amp PowerTank, 15X70mm binoculars
Meade, Swan and Televue Lenses (33, 26, 20, 15 & 9mm), Televue Barlow
Catsperch Observing Chair

Member: Astronomical Society of Eastern Missouri


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Re: Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105 new [Re: Arthur Dent]
      #2979641 - 03/12/09 01:04 PM


There are no Quick blow fuses that are not fast enough. Sorry.

John

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My wife shares my love of the night skies and tolerates all of my other hobbies.
Televue Pronto w/Starbeam pointer and Televue tripod
Meade 2045D, ETX-125PE, 12" Lightbridge
Celestron: 7Amp PowerTank, 15X70mm binoculars
Meade, Swan and Televue Lenses (33, 26, 20, 15 & 9mm), Televue Barlow
Catsperch Observing Chair

Member: Astronomical Society of Eastern Missouri


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Re: Positive insight to ETX (was New (but old) 105 new [Re: JT5]
      #2979889 - 03/12/09 03:37 PM

John

Double negative there. Did you mean there are no quick-blow fuses that are fast enough?

Art

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If I like it, the wife says that we can't afford it!
=======================================================

Meade ETX105 (a nice "Grab & Go" scope) & Celestron NexStar 6SE with Bob's Knobs.

Various EP's from 6mm to 26mm, Baader Hyperion 8-24mm Zoom, a 2x Barlow, 2" diagonal and 7Ah PowerTank.
MRF and Antares 8x50 RACI finder scope - both for the 6SE's OTA, whilst the ETX gets a plain RDF.

Canon EOS 400D DSLR (un-modded) and SPC900 webcam. Finally climbing the AP Learning Curve!


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