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First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensifier
      #2957134 - 03/01/09 03:57 PM

Hi All,

Well, we got back from a hockey game after midnight last night and wonders of wonders, there were some occasional clear spots between the clouds. Woo hoo, it was time to give the BIPH a whirl. I grabbed my grab-and-go 6” f4.5 Dob and was able to catch some glimpses between the clouds. More about those views later.

I noticed the clouds started to clear even more, so I abandoned the 6” and wheeled out the yard cannon (an 18” F4.5 Telekit Dob). By this time the cloud cover was almost gone. Seeing was pretty good, but transparency was only fair. My skies are in the outlying southwest suburbs of Cleveland, so the light pollution is pretty bad to the northeast, but not too bad to the southwest. I am a pretty inexperienced observer, just getting back in to astronomy in the summer of 2008 after a 20+ year life happens hiatus, so these impressions are pretty basic.

First thing I like is the pure simplicity of the BIPH. Just the one power switch, no fuss, no wires, no tracking needed. By the time I got to observing, it was almost 1AM, so Orion and friends had mostly set. Thus, the best objects in my sky were almost exclusively galaxies. I was a little hesitant at this, since I’ve heard that the best targets are the emission nebula that radiate more strongly toward the infrared. Since the galaxies are more broad spectrum, I did not use the H-alpha filter in any of the observations. Given my light-polluted environment and only fair transparency, I’m sure the contrast in my observation session was less than what is possible.

My first target was M51, the venerable Whirpool galaxy. I got close with the Telrad and it slid in to the BIPH’s field of view almost immediately. I’d like to say the first thoughts that popped to mind were something poetic or at least, “Wow!”, but just think of your favorite expletive, and it was probably included in the string of them that I mumbled. The two main spiral arms were clear as day, with some nice puffy detail and dark patches. The “companion” galaxy (NGC5195) also showed this “puffiness”. I wouldn’t call this view photographic. On the con side, obviously no color but green is seen. The detail, while way beyond any thing I’ve ever viewed visually was not what quite what you get from a typical photo. On the pro side, the contrast between the core and the arms of the galaxy are not as great as in a photo. In this sense, the core is not a washed out bright spot, but a more seamless “meeting” of the spiral arms. Of course, the real-time, “eyepiece experience” is a real positive. It was real easy to forget that I was not seeing the actual photons from M51.

Next, I slewed to M81 and M82. M82 was what I would photographic! I guess the star-forming areas and dark clouds radiate a lot of red / infrared energy, but damn if it didn’t look like a galaxy exploding right in front of me. The level of detail was incredible and likely would have benefited from the use of a Barlow to increase magnification. I did not attempt to quantify the field of view or magnification of the BIPH, but it very loosely speaking, it reminded me of a little higher magnification than that of my 26mm Nagler. I wasn’t really looking at the apparent field of view or the quality of the star images towards the edge in this session, so I have no real comments there. I couldn’t detect any eye relief issues in looking through the BIPH, I guess because one is actually looking at a phosphor screen. It was real easy, and should be great for public outreach to first time viewers.

Another object I viewed was M3, a globular cluster in Canes Venatici. M3 looked like layer, upon layer of stars increasing in density all the way to a fully resolved core. This was the first view where a 3D effect was seen. To me the effect was not so much as a three dimensional sphere of stars, but more of layers of stars on top of other layers. Kinda like a half-dozen or so of sheets of transparency paper stacked on top of each other (with a bit of gap between each layer), each with a bunch of stars printed on them. The view was also very bright.

I did then get the chance to briefly view comet Lulin, not too far from Regulus last night. The view here was simply of a bright core with a cloud slowly decreasing in brightness away from the core. The tail was also diffuse without noticeable (at least in my quick observation) of detail. While I did not get a chance to view it with a normal eyepiece, I suspect it would have looked similar, just much dimmer.

Other objects viewed included the Leo Triplet of galaxies. NGC3628 was the best of that bunch. It is edge-on, and its dark lane was clearly visible as a lumpy, mottled overlay on the background galaxies brighter core diffusing in to the arms. It was getting really cold (the old Telekit was actually creaking on the azimuth axis!), windy, and late, so I packed it for the night.

Now back to the 6” dob. I used this scope only for about 15 minutes, so the observations were limited. The short of it was that the brightness of the objects did remind me of my normal (non-intensified) views through the my 18”. The main difference was that the background sky was brighter. You’d think that this would result in lower contrast between the object and sky, but that wasn’t really my experience. The other difference was the resolution on the objects was lower, but that’s to be expected!

I’m really pumped about using the BIPH more extensively and under different / better conditions. Onward to nebulas, trying the H-alpha filter, and using this through our club’s ( wro.org ) 31” reflector!

I’m not affiliated Night Vision Astronomy, but would like to thank Doug Baum for coming up with such an innovative and cool product! I’d love to hear other newly minted BIPH owners experiences as well.

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensifier new [Re: mpattern]
      #2957234 - 03/01/09 04:43 PM

Mark,
Thank for sharing your experience with BIPH. It sounds like a very interesting, and useful device.

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensifier new [Re: JAT Observatory]
      #2957443 - 03/01/09 06:29 PM

I had the opportunity to use the BIPF this past weekend at Chiefland. The device's owner had it mated with a 10" SCT.

While he seemed pleased with its' performance, I was totally underwhelmed.

With the BIPH, the spiral arms of M-51 were barely detectable and the "scintillation effect" was like a thousand fireflies whirling around the field of view.

Meanwhile, across the field, my 10" Meade SN with a Mallincam was easily showing COLOR in the H2 regions and well-resolved rifts and dust clouds inside the arms. The "bridge" to NGC-5195 was obvious and the oclusion of this companion galaxy by the dusty arm of M-51 was sharply defined. In addition (to my surprise) the "horns" projecting out from NGC-5195 were also easily seen.

Let me be the first to admit that "I just don't get it" when it comes to image intensifiers anyway. I simply can't understand why anyone would WANT to see all the wonderful DSO's in that phosphorescent green with all that scitillation noise.
But we all have different tastes and opinions.
I have friends who have I3 eyepieces and they LOVE them! How or why is a mystery to me.

As always YMMV!

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: Mike Harvey]
      #2959380 - 03/02/09 05:15 PM

Quote:

I had the opportunity to use the BIPF this past weekend at Chiefland. The device's owner had it mated with a 10" SCT.

While he seemed pleased with its' performance, I was totally underwhelmed...



Russ Lederman of Denkmeier and now a partner in Night Vision Astronomy (as many of you already know Russ is a first-class guy with a stellar-class product in the Denk Binoviewer, as well as offering customer service and support second to none) posted this comment regarding Mark's excellent first-light report of the BIPH on the Yahoo BIPH forum this morning which I think sheds some more light on the subject...

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/biph/message/57


I'll be adding my own report as soon as my weather clears up!

Edited by johnnyha (03/03/09 10:58 PM)


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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensifier new [Re: Mike Harvey]
      #2959458 - 03/02/09 06:00 PM


Let me be the first to admit that "I just don't get it" when it comes to image intensifiers anyway. I simply can't understand why anyone would WANT to see all the wonderful DSO's in that phosphorescent green with all that scitillation noise.
But we all have different tastes and opinions.
I have friends who have I3 eyepieces and they LOVE them! How or why is a mystery to me.

As always YMMV!

Mike




Mike, did the guy at Chiefland use a focal reducer with his S/C/? If not then I understand being underwhelmed.

Why do some of us love Gen III NVDs? Ease of use is a big factor. No batteries, no wires, no monitor and a w-i-d-e fov compared to a camera. Plus, for me, the view soon becomes monochromatic.

But I like cameras, too. Tonight will be first "light" with the brand new MCHP at the university observatory. We will be using a large scree hi-def color TV for a monitor.


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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensifier new [Re: StarStuff1]
      #2959769 - 03/02/09 08:54 PM

Gary,

I, too, feel there is a use for both technologies. While at Chiefland Astronomy Village in January of 2007, I had the chance to observe with someone who had both a MallinCam Color Hyper Plus and an I3. He put the I3 into his 20" and starting at Zeta Orinis, we were able to follow the Flame, through NGC2023 right to the Horsehead. He then removed the I3, put in the MCHP and we observed the Horsehead in color.

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensifier new [Re: Jack Huerkamp]
      #2987889 - 03/16/09 09:42 PM

I'm the BIPH owner Mike referred to.

I'm still pretty much a newbie and because of other constraints I don't manage to get out often, that night in Chiefland was my first viewing session in nearly nine months. I live in Tampa, not too far from Busch Gardens and it's attendant light displays, and I've been looking for something that will overcome that problem.

So when I go out, I like to get as much out of the experience as possible. I've spent too many hours wondering if I was looking at a galaxy or the Veil or just watching some reflection of the liquid and floaters in my eye. A go-to scope coupled with the BIPH are putting those questions to rest.

I pulled into CAV late, at 8:30, and was set up and ready to observe an hour later, just as Venus was dropping below the treeline.

Over the evening I got to put the BIPH into my 10" LX200, a 22" Dob and Tom Clark's 42" monster.

I managed to let the Ha filter fog up early on in the night so it was useless. The focal reducer was in and out all night, but most of the time it was in.

The BIPH worked as well as could be expected under the poor conditions. It was 80-90% humidity and thin clouds were moving thru on a regular basis. All night, from 10 to about 3:30 there were only a few times and areas of sky that were less than murky.

One of the CAV regulars said that on a 1 to 10 scale seeing was about a 3. Even so, to me it looked like a 11+ compared to home.

The first object up was M1 and despite the poor conditions, it was bright and quite obvious, although we were hoping to see some structure, that wasn't possible.

In my scope I managed a quick glimpse of the Horsehead, but we couldn't find it 10 minutes later in the 42". The Orion Nebula came through clear, and with the focal reducer I had a nearly 2-degree FOV. Everyone who looked at it was impressed, even under the crummy conditions.

At one point, right around when we tried it in the 42" dob, it got so humid that every star in Orion looked nebular with the naked eye. We could get the Orion nebula with the 42", but the Horsehead evaded us with or without the BIPH.

Through the night I saw more galaxies than I'd ever seen, each with a bright core (except the Whale and Spindle of course). I'd guess I hit 20 galaxies at least.

My first view of the Whirlpool revealed definite spiral arm structure. Without the BIPH, I've never seem more than a couple of very faint blobs. That view alone was worth the price to me. Someone else on the field had a Mallincam in a 28" Dob trained on M51 at the same time so I had a chance to compare and confirm that I was seeing the arms in the correct places.

And here is where MMV a lot. I appreciate and love the unenhanced view of objects, but I like the chance to swap back and forth. The BIPH allows me to be certain I'm looking at something and to see structure that I'd otherwise -never- be able to see. Then I can swap it out for a regular eyepiece and spend the time trying to tease those details out with my naked eye. As I said, prior to that night, in 4 years of trying I could be certain that I'd seen maybe 6 galaxies other than Andromeda. That night, I saw well in excess of 20 in about 90 minutes.

Globular clusters were knockouts. Omega Centauri was amazing, M3 & M13 looked better than some textbook images I've seen.

Eye relief - ha! How's 3000mm? Jeannie Clark was looking through a 22" Dob at the Orion Nebula and I could see the view over her head while standing a good 5' back. Then I moved another 5' back & it was still visible, although getting the right focus in my graduated bifocals became a challenge at that distance. At one point I considered getting a bench because two or three people could easily sit and get a fine view all at the same time.

The big problem for the BIPH that night was the scintillation. High, thin clouds were scattering light all over all night.

There was constant and pervasive scintillation that caused a sort of 'rushing into the center' effect that we started calling 'Your Brain on BIPH'. The 'rushing star' effect had a few people humming the Star Trek Theme as soon as they sat down (it was noted that the end of the BIPH strongly resembled the viewing port that Mr. Spock used whenever he was reading scientific information). At times it was not exactly overwhelming, but very distracting, although I learned to ignore it as the night went on.

A few times what looked like faint headlight cones off to the side would pop up; I thought of Doug Baum's problem with the infrared beacon and red lights, but a quick slew in the direction of the effect caused it to go away, slewing back made it pop up again so we figured it was some moisture/cloud related issue.

I got my first look at a Mallincam, and was knocked out by it, but I noticed that the guy who was using it managed to image two or three objects in a couple of hours, or so it seemed. He did have a line most of the night. [Doug, I'm hoping that BIPH v3 will have either a color display, or a 360-degree helmet viewport.] When a fast cold front passed thru, both his scope and the CCD fogged up. I just wrapped a couple of dew strips around the viewing end, cranked up the controller and I was back in business in 15 minutes while the whine of hairdryers kept on for nearly an hour.

Most of my night was spent with one or two other people (I still need to meet you guys in daylight and put a face to the voices) and I managed to go through a long list of objects that had previously eluded me.

I had M51 in view at least three times that night and only on the first of those did I get to see the spirals or any real detail. The other two times it was too murky to see much more than the bright nuclei and a fuzzy but contrasty disk. Mike must have gotten his look during one of the lesser views.

I'm going back to CAV the next two weekends, weather permitting, and hopefully the seeing will be better, I'll keep the Ha filter dry, and I'll get to see a few more things that'll justify the purchase. I'll have my 5-year-old daughter with me this weekend and I have a strong feeling it can keep her attention for more than 3 objects and 45 seconds (the record so far). And that's another thing that will have made it well worthwhile.


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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensifier new [Re: Eric Johnson]
      #2988312 - 03/17/09 05:28 AM

Hi Eric...it's Mike again! I'm also the "guy with the 28" and Mallincam'!
Please feel free to come on over and join us at the Chiefland Picnic in two weeks.
I didn't hit my usual number of DSO's due to electrical problems in my GOTO and Tracking systems (since corrected). It wasn't a function of the Mallincam at all.
Look forward to seeing you again ....

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensifier new [Re: Mike Harvey]
      #2991260 - 03/18/09 06:56 PM

got to do some more testing with the BIPH
M42 stunning you can see "clam like" structure
flame and horsehead become easy targets
I was able to frame rosette with an 8 inch at f2.5
later I did nebula region in central cygnus area
very nice indeed. I like the fact that you can pan around like a visual eyepiece and I did not need to do any tracking
turn it on and use it!


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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensifier new [Re: Eric Johnson]
      #3103310 - 05/13/09 07:52 PM

Hi Eric;
I thought I would drop you a line since you live in Florida and I live in Boynton Beach. I just ordered the BIPH and wondered how you are enjoying it. I will be using mine with a Refractor...namely a Astro Physics 130MM f/8. I will be using it with a barlow to reduce the f/8 to a hopefully f/5 or so to get full use out of the BIPH.
Any comments you may have would be of real interest.
Clear skies....well maybe not in Boynton Beach Florida?
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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensifier new [Re: lazhow]
      #3123781 - 05/24/09 01:26 AM

Hey everyone. I've posted some pictures taken thru the eyepiece of the BIPH on the Yahoo BIPH group.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biph/photos/album/789526458/pic/list

Mike - I did come up to CAV on the picnic weekend, but since it rained all Friday and Saturday, I didn't make it until Sunday, when it was just me and the gentleman who was rebuilding the showers left.

Howard - Too bad you didn't post sometime in April. I was in Delray Beach visiting the Morikami Japanese Gardens on April 19th. I would have brought the BIPH and stayed late enough to give you a chance to place with it.

I've had a couple of brief chances to use it with some SLR lenses: 28 & 50mm Nikkors and tonight I finally filed down the adapter to fit the 100-300mm Canon FD.

From my highly light polluted and cloudy front yard and using the Ha filter I can see the Swan, Trifid and Lagoon Nebs.

Without the Ha Filter I can see tons of stars that are otherwise obscured.

I'm building a Peterson EZ Binocular mount and hopefully I'll be able to get the whole rig up to Chiefland as soon as the rains clear out.


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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensifier new [Re: Eric Johnson]
      #3123924 - 05/24/09 05:06 AM

could you post some of the images here too please.

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensifier new [Re: Eric Johnson]
      #3124122 - 05/24/09 09:23 AM

Eric,
Impressive pics...and what is even more impressive is the method..afocal.
From my viewpoint only I found the pics taken without H-A filter very pleasing to the eye and wonder how those photos would do with a little Photoshope precessing....but for short exposures I am really excited to see.
Now all Have to do is wait for my BIHP and hope for clear weather.
I was not going to attend the Winter Star Party 2010 since I found the last few kind of the same old same old...but the BIPH brings new life to the Key West site.
Thanks again
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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: lazhow]
      #3131640 - 05/28/09 05:24 AM

I pulled out the BIPH the last night of the Joshua Tree Video Fest and put it in my 15" and in a word - breathtaking. The structure and detail visible in the Veil, Trifid, Lagoon, and Swan Nebulas was simply stunning and ALL of the seasoned astronomers there first went "WOW!" followed by excited comments on how different and 3-dimensional the images were. The BIPH and the Ha filter showed crisp, billowing, 3dimensional images in wide views that revealed structure beyond anything anyone there had seen. I have seen several photos taken of images on the BIPH screen, but nothing that prepared me for the beautiful crisp detailed images we saw that night- and they are TRULY 3d! There were a few galaxies we looked at that were not as impressive but the emission Nebula had people literally gasping.

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: johnnyha]
      #3131647 - 05/28/09 05:41 AM

Johnny,

Nice report!
Can you explain the 3-D experience a little bit more? Both eyes seeing the identical image theoretically should not give any 3-D (especially on depth perception) info?

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: PEterW]
      #3131766 - 05/28/09 08:28 AM

Quote:

could you post some of the images here too please.

PEterW



I'd like to second that request since you can't see the pictures if you don't belong to the Yahoo Group.
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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #3133243 - 05/28/09 10:46 PM

Quote:

Can you explain the 3-D experience a little bit more? Both eyes seeing the identical image theoretically should not give any 3-D (especially on depth perception) info?



ccs_hello - I think the 3d effect, which everyone remarked on almost instantly, was maybe because the BIPH reveals more structure and contrast (on some objects) than normal EPs. The Veil for instance looked very clearly like a massive braided knot that was made of thick smoke. The Swan in the BIPH was gorgeous with lots of detail itself, but was just a smaller billowy protrusion that clearly stuck out or forward from a larger billowing mass with swirling nebular cloudlike structures, gaseous areas, sharp dust lanes, etc. that appeared to be clearly behind and around The Swan itself. It was like shining a light into the shadows around the Swan and seeing more walls of nebula, dark lanes and hidden stars, even tiny unfamiliar globular clusters resolve themselves. In some areas it's like you're looking *through* and *behind* gaseous and nebular objects, maybe that also accounts for the 3d effect.

Once again the galaxies we looked at were less than inspiring but I hear there are better target galaxies for the BIPH. Brighter stars looked like they were dewed out, defocused blobs. But the Nebulas... WOW.

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: johnnyha]
      #3133266 - 05/28/09 11:00 PM

Johnny,

That's very interesting description. I am wondering what exactly the scientific explanation would be for such visual experience...

Anyone knows?

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #3133314 - 05/28/09 11:38 PM

I have heard many folks comment on the 3D view with the BIPH. It is a result of stereoscopic vision.

The BIPH uses a panoramic eyepiece that allows you to use two eyes to view the image. Two eyes will provide two separate views. Our eyes are close, side-by-side positioning, each eye sees a view of the same area from a slightly different angle. The two eye views have alot in common, but each eye picks up visual information the other doesn't.

Each eye captures its own view and the two separate images are sent on to the brain for processing. When the two images arrive simultaneously in the back of the brain, they are combined into one picture. The mind combines the two images by matching up the similarities and adding in the small differences. The small differences between the two images add up to a big difference. It is a three-dimensional stereo picture.

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: Douglas]
      #3133333 - 05/28/09 11:51 PM

Here is a good link for information on stereoscopic vision and panorama:

http://nzphoto.tripod.com/sterea/3dvision.htm#pan

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: Douglas]
      #3133370 - 05/29/09 12:29 AM

You can read more specific information regarding bi-ocular display optics and electro optical displays on page 417 in this link:

http://tinyurl.com/ksoh9z

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: Douglas]
      #3133426 - 05/29/09 01:47 AM

You know come to think of it, it was like looking through a GAF Viewmaster.

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: Douglas]
      #3138371 - 05/31/09 07:48 PM

Doug,

Thank you! Will study.

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #3146477 - 06/04/09 10:55 PM

You get the same effect with binoviewers; the moon looks very 3D and the planets look like little spheres floating in space. I think in the case of binoviewers you can bever get them quite lined up perfectly and that little bit of difference between the two images tricks your brain into thinking its 3D. It could also just be the effect of using both eyes. Using both eyes is soooo comfortable; no more eye strain.

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: jgraham]
      #3193827 - 07/01/09 08:04 PM

a few more shots with biph

http://www.cloudynights.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=18799

http://www.cloudynights.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=18798

http://www.cloudynights.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=18800

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: highfnum]
      #3194612 - 07/02/09 08:35 AM

Very nice, IMO the green in the image seems more so then when I used the BIPH, or the I3 for that matter, visually.

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: Chris Schroeder]
      #3194697 - 07/02/09 09:41 AM

Agree with you, Chris. The color in my IIE with Ha filter is more of a creamy greenish white color. Details about the same. Details and contrast very dependent on scope size, focal ratio/reduction, altitude in the sky, sky conditions, etc.

Good photos John. I need to start taking pics through the eyepiece, too.

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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: StarStuff1]
      #3195971 - 07/02/09 09:26 PM

the creamy view depends of monitor
I notice the same thing you guys did at work
but my pc at home must have different settings
can't win all the time
if rain goes away I like to try m17 m16 m 27


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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: highfnum]
      #3200945 - 07/05/09 08:16 PM

I going to start to challege BIPH by goig after harder targets

here s a few more shots

http://www.cloudynights.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=18836
http://www.cloudynights.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=18835


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Re: First Impressions with the BIPH Image Intensif new [Re: highfnum]
      #3201604 - 07/06/09 08:05 AM

Nice, I like how the trees are highlighted in the first one.

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