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andydj5xp
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First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom
      #2995616 - 03/21/09 07:05 AM Attachment (334 downloads)

Two weeks ago I took delivery of my long (VERY long) awaited new zoom: Leica 25x-50x ASPH. The designation "25x-50x" refers to the available magnifications together with the Leica spotting scope's focal length of 440mm. I will call it 17.6-8.8mm.

General:
- Body dimensions: 59mm/2.3" diameter, 89mm/3.5" body length (without barrel)
- weight approx. 400g/14oz
- twist-up eyecup (3 positions, 9mm difference)
- comfortable eye relief (18mm)
- smooth zoom-ring movement

Having been a fan of my Leica zoom 22-7.3mm for quite some years my expectations were rather high. My benchmark was this:

ZAOII's vs. Leica 22-7.3mm

Fortunately the skies were cooperative at the very first evening showing a 12 day's moon with fairly good seeing conditions. I did compare the new zoom against the ZAOII's and the old zoom at different focal lengths of 16mm, 10mm, 8mm, 6mm, and 5mm. The main target for the higher mags was crater Gassendi. As reported in the given link the old zoom and the ZAOII's again were so close that it wasn't possible to see differences. The new zoom instantly could be seen as being on par with both. But after the comparisons had been performed for more than one hour it even seemed to excede both for coming slightly better into focus, not by a large margin but repeatedly so. It kind of looked a tad "sharper" which I did interpret as being may be even more contrasty. At any rate: it can easily compete for contrast, definition, and absence of stray light. And of course it substantially surpasses the ZAOII's for its huge AFOV and its generous eye relief.

This week the sun made for a very tough test target for stray light and ghosting. With a filtering of ND5 (100 000 times) the apparent brightness of the solar disk is still 1.6 magnitudes brighter than the full moon. Putting the sun just outside the field stop there could not be seen even the faintest glow. This is equal to the ZAOII's where the approaching solar disk can be seen already through the triangular cuttings without generating stray light within the field of view.

Saturn gave a very pleasing view with natural colors slowly drifting through the large field of view without the necessity to refocus. To conclude this little report: the double cluster looked magnificent at different magnifications displaying pinpoint stars up to the field stop. Finally, the E and F stars within M42 could equally easily be observed with both Leica ASPH zoom and the ZAOII's.

Pros:
- wide AFOV: 58.5° at 17.6mm up to 79.5° at 8.8mm
- virtually flat field (within my measurement uncertainty of 0.05mm)
- no astigmatism up to the field stop
- extremely sharp
- extremely high contrast due to complete absence of straylight and ghosting
- no eyeball reflections
- neutral color rendition
- parfocal
- no kidney beaning
- replaces three high quality eyepieces (even more with barlowing)
- barlows very well
- with a quality barlow lens element and extension rings it covers all focal lengths

Cons:
- expensive (800 Euros/1080 USD)
- 2"-adapter not yet available (I'm using a modified Baader adapter T2-#16)
- no click-stops (I don't need it: see below)

Summary: Is it the "ultimate" eyepiece? For me: YES. For others as always: YMMV (or better: YMWV). My UWAN16 and the old Leica 22-7.3mm zoom have been sold already, and eventually I will even sell my ZAOII's since I don't think them to be used often any more after – of course – much more comparisons. Together with a premium barlow lens (Baader VIP Modular) and a two-stage scheme of adding extension rings I have 3 barlow factors of 1.5x, 2x, and 2.5x. Thus a focal range of 17.6mm down to 3.5mm gives me everything I would need.

The attached picture gives an impression. From left: Zoom with 2"-barrel, barlow lens for 1.5x, 30mm T2-extension for 2x, 32mm T2-extension for 2.5x. The two combos 1.5x and 2x fit within the 2" eyepiece holder of my Baader Maxbright diagonal, the second extension will be placed outside the eyepiece holder. The white markings on the eyepiece body are little pieces cut from a nylon cable binder and glued onto small strips of transparent selfadhesive tape. They enable "feeling" the chosen magnification and are placed such that they give with my TEC140 mags of 60x, 80x, and 100x unbarlowed and the corresponding magnifications multiplied with the barlow factors.

Andreas


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NHRob
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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: andydj5xp]
      #2995716 - 03/21/09 08:52 AM

Andreas,
Very interesting. Who did you get it from?

Pricey but, if it replaces 3 XWs or Nags it's not too bad.

Rob


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andydj5xp
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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: NHRob]
      #2996410 - 03/21/09 02:39 PM

Quote:

Who did you get it from?




Rob,

I got it from my local Leica dealer who ordered it for me as early as last summer.

Andreas


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Chris Schroeder
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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: andydj5xp]
      #2996463 - 03/21/09 03:06 PM

Great report Andreas, nice idea with the strips of cable binder

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Rob S
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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: Chris Schroeder]
      #2996585 - 03/21/09 04:09 PM

Andreas, are Leica still insisting on shipping practically everything they make in leather (or cordura with leather trim)?

Regards,

Rob.


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andydj5xp
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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: Rob S]
      #2996719 - 03/21/09 05:18 PM

Quote:

Andreas, are Leica still insisting on shipping practically everything they make in leather (or cordura with leather trim)?




Rob,

it came with a simple cordura case (to be closed with a zipper) without a trim. Nothing special.

Andreas


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Rob S
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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: andydj5xp]
      #2997485 - 03/22/09 01:55 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Andreas, are Leica still insisting on shipping practically everything they make in leather (or cordura with leather trim)?




Rob,

it came with a simple cordura case (to be closed with a zipper) without a trim. Nothing special.

Andreas




Andreas,

That is good news - i'm vegan so could not have bought it if it came in leather. I got quoted a very, very good price for this a while back - but that was before my dollar went in the toilet :-{

Regards,

Rob.


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Tamiji Homma
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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: Rob S]
      #3259134 - 08/07/09 09:58 AM

I've been thinking about getting this zoom eyepiece. Wait is over. It is here. It got a bit of cosmetic look change comparing to Andreas'.

After a quick peek, placing on 2" diagonal, it was shipped to machinist to get 2" nosepiece done.



I hope it performs as good as Andreas said

Tammy


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edwincjones
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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: Tamiji Homma]
      #3259211 - 08/07/09 10:51 AM

I think that the old Leica zoom is the ulitmate ep-if this is better-WOW!

note-there is an old leica zoom on shop and swap

edj


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Tamiji Homma
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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: edwincjones]
      #3259394 - 08/07/09 12:35 PM

Quote:

I think that the old Leica zoom is the ulitmate ep-if this is better-WOW!

note-there is an old leica zoom on shop and swap

edj




Hi Ed,

I spent only half an hour with the zoom eyepiece looking at hills 0.7 miles away before packing up for sending it to machinist. Turning the zoom in, it gave me a sensation flying into the hills as magnification going up with AFOV increases.

It was interesting experience just like scene in IMAX movie "The Dream Is Alive", Space Shuttle astronaut training scene, they are in basket hanging on rope and slowly descending toward big net down and hit ... It was WOW

Tammy


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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: Tamiji Homma]
      #3259500 - 08/07/09 01:33 PM

Hail zoom kings Andreas & Tammy! Congrats!

Quite euphoric that the advent of the new millennium zoom has arrived. Let it never be said again that zooms are "tacky" or "compromised." Zooms are here to stay and their comeback packs a wallop! Clear skies.

Best,


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andydj5xp
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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: edwincjones]
      #3259543 - 08/07/09 01:50 PM

Quote:

I think that the old Leica zoom is the ulitmate ep-if this is better-WOW!

edj




I've been using the "old" Leica zoom (22...7.3mm) for about 8 years and you are right with "ultimate". The new ASPH zoom isn't only at least as good optically (contrast, definition, absolute lack of straylight, zooming smoothness) but with its huge AFOVs of 60°-80° it's the first zoom to not miss fixed focal length widefields any more.

@ Tammy: I'm glad you got yours and I'm looking forward to hear about your viewing experiences.

Andreas


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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: Tamiji Homma]
      #3259650 - 08/07/09 02:43 PM

Hi Tammy:
I've been interested in this particular eyepiece as well. I, for one, would be extremely interested to know how well it performs in your long focal length Vixen scope.
Best regards,
William


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Tamiji Homma
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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: Tarzanrock]
      #3260532 - 08/08/09 12:41 AM

Quote:

Hi Tammy:
I've been interested in this particular eyepiece as well. I, for one, would be extremely interested to know how well it performs in your long focal length Vixen scope.
Best regards,
William




Hi Bill,

I am planning to use the eyepiece with VMC260L most as Andreas mentioned if it were matching performance to replace 3 Pentax XWs (7, 10, 14), a grand price tag does not look that bad

A bit of terrestrial view, it looks very promising but real test will be M13 for me with ZAO-II 16, 10/Denk 14/Pentax XW 10/Ethos 17, looking forward to it.

Tammy


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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: Tamiji Homma]
      #3261112 - 08/08/09 11:04 AM

I'm following this thread with bated breath.
If it works as well as Tammy hopes, we may have to get the machinist to make a bunch of adapters for this eyepiece, because it may become "hot" in the marketplace (well, as hot as any eyepiece in this price range can be )


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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: Starman1]
      #3261173 - 08/08/09 11:29 AM

Quote:

I'm following this thread with bated breath.
If it works as well as Tammy hopes, we may have to get the machinist to make a bunch of adapters for this eyepiece, because it may become "hot" in the marketplace (well, as hot as any eyepiece in this price range can be )




Hi Don,

From an old Zoom eyepieces thread it was mentioned (Novbabies - Mark) that you don't think highly of zoom EPs ("something like you couldn't pay him to own one"); is it true and if so do you still feel the same way today? Thanks.

Best,


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Starman1
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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: ibase]
      #3261213 - 08/08/09 11:56 AM

Zoom eyepieces typically have narrow fields of view, and poorer quality optics than fixed power eyepieces.

However, the zoom experience is still a desirable experience if the eyepiece stays in focus during its zoom.

Spotting scope eyepieces have to stay in focus as they zoom to be practical eyepieces for nature/bird watchers, so good spotting scope zooms have that requirement.

This Leica zoom also purports to have a wider field of view, which might answer that objection I have.

Sharpness compared to fixed power eyepieces is a different issue, though, and so I await Tammy's report (he's known to be a fussy observer in that regard).

The zoom experience is worth experiencing, though. It's really neat to see a globular cluster get larger and "closer" as you zoom in, as if you were flying through space toward it.

In different scopes, at different times, I've used zoom eyepieces to help me determine the correct magnification to view an object. Every time I've changed to a fixed power eyepiece, though, the image improved.

I don't think it's impossible to have a zoom eyepiece that performs like fixed power--the Nagler zooms convinced me of that--but the lower-powered ones in the market have always left me cold.

There are some "decent" zooms in the market, and they might make excellent "traveling eyepieces" for a person flying somewhere and whose weight limit may preclude the taking of a box of fixed-power eyepieces. But for the critical observer, zooms fall a little short of the sharpness I've come to know and expect--especially at the edge of the field.

But there are beginning to be some "no-compromises" zooms appearing for the spotting scope users, and Tammy has one of them.

It isn't the concept of a zoom I object to, it has been the execution. If a zoom appears that has a wide field AND is as sharp as fixed-power eyepieces, it might be one that finds a place in my eyepiece box.


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andydj5xp
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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom [Re: Starman1]
      #3261386 - 08/08/09 01:47 PM

Quote:

It isn't the concept of a zoom I object to, it has been the execution. If a zoom appears that has a wide field AND is as sharp as fixed-power eyepieces, it might be one that finds a place in my eyepiece box.




As you will know from my correspondence with Tammy I'm particularly interested to hear about your impression of this eyepiece. Since you have way more observing experience than I have and since you will have access to the finest telescopes as well your judgement will be most welcome.

Andreas


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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom new [Re: Tamiji Homma]
      #3261432 - 08/08/09 02:22 PM

Quote:

I am planning to use the eyepiece with VMC260L most as Andreas mentioned if it were matching performance to replace 3 Pentax XWs (7, 10, 14), a grand price tag does not look that bad

A bit of terrestrial view, it looks very promising but real test will be M13 for me with ZAO-II 16, 10/Denk 14/Pentax XW 10/Ethos 17, looking forward to it.




Hi Tammy:
Interesting test -- I think that you need to add the Pentax 14 mm XW to the "test" if you are not already planning on doing so.
Although I certainly know very little about optics, I do share Don's view about the Leica eyepiece being designed for their "spotting scope."
I have in the past considered Zeiss, Leica, Nikon and Pentax zoom eyepieces but never actually obtained one because of the concerns that I then had (and have) which are related to the design and useage in their respective spotting scopes. I wondered then (and I still wonder) how well they would work in a catadioptic type scope or in a dobsonian type scope.
As for the occurrence of the "test" perhaps you would like to do it at Mt. Pinos next weekend. I've been wanting to get up there this summer; and, some of the guys on the classics thread have invited me so I'm thinking of going -- maybe even camping up there -- assuming that I can get away from L.A.
Bill


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Re: First look at the new Leica ASPH zoom [Re: Starman1]
      #3261547 - 08/08/09 03:36 PM

Thanks for the response.

Best,


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