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Lawrence Sayre
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Here is a great source I recently came across which offers some super info on the properties of many of the various types of glass which one might consider for use in the making of a telescope mirror. Everything from plate glass to the exotic zero expansion types is listed here, in detail:
http://www.minerals.sk.ca/atm_design/mirror_substrate.html
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Starman1
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Lawrence,
Here is an opinion from R.F.Royce inre: the practicality of ULE materials for telescope mirrors:
http://rfroyce.com/pyrex.htm
Reading between the lines, where fused quartz is concerned, the only downside is price.
Here is another perspective on fused quartz:
http://www.fpi-protostar.com/quartz1.htm
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Lawrence Sayre
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I'm fond of fused quartz myself. While I was at Cincinnati Gasket and Packaging (actually the Midwest's largest glass works, despite the very odd company name) getting my 30" Pyrex blank, they gave me a tour of their factory, and I saw a cube of pure fused quartz, about 14" on edge, being cut into nice slabs. Not an imperfection in it, and as perfectly clear as anything I've ever seen. I was drooling just watching the nearly zero expansion stuff being cut, and imagining the possibilities. Their various Blanchard machines, glass cutting machines, and polishing machines had me drooling also, but not like watching that block of fused quartz.....
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Ayn Rand (in the appendix to 'Atlas Shrugged')
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gazerjim
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The catch I see in using the low-expansion exotics is that until the mirror reaches near ambient temperature, performance will probably suffer anyway due to the thermal boundary layer. (?)
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Starman1
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Jim,
Yeah, but the image degradation from surface issues will be absent. In other words, fans might work faster.
The big advantage to fused quartz is that the surface can be polished much smoother than pyrex. Ergo, it should be easier to make a smooth surface. Add to that the fact its figure won't change as much while figuring due to thermal expansion, and it might be possible to make the mirror faster.
However, though secondary flats can be had in fused quartz, I know of no commonly used mirror maker who uses the material (though some very high end companies surely do).
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Jarad
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I thought one of the reasons that fused quartz can be so smooth as a flat is due to the cleavage - it forms square crystals, so a flat surface can be the side of a single crystal and approach atomic flatness (small pieces are used for atmoic force microscopy surfaces due to this). But that might not make them suitable for curved surfaces - the same crystal cleavage might tend to form "steps" along the curve....
Jarad
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Starman1
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Jarad,
One of the links I posted above shows that fused quartz can be smoother at the molecular level.
It's my guess that the spalling that shapes glass occurs on a smaller level when fused quartz is ground than it does with normal glass.
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gazerjim
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Have to admit, a large primary of fused quartz with a strehl of say, 0.99, would be a sweet piece of work!
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Henry J. Tillman
Edited by gazerjim (01/06/05 02:40 AM)
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