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goe
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Hi All,
Yes, I know this was probably talked about a million times already on this forum, but I'd definitely appreciate your comments on pros and cons of actualy paying double the price for the ETX-90.
I'm a complete beginner and I want to buy one of these telescopes. I think the ETX-80 ($239) is a better deal for me cash wise but I have a felling ETX-90 ($490) has more options / power for the future use. Is that a fare assessment?
BTW: what kind of objects will I be able to see in both those scopes? Moon and planets only or maybe some galaxies etc.?
Thanks, goe
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jgraham
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The ETX-80 and -90 are two very different telescopes on a similar mount. The ETX-80 is a short focal length refractor that provides excellent low power, wide field views. The ETX-90 is a 90mm Maksutov-Cassegrain that gives much sharper and higher magnification views. ETX-90's typically have superb optics that give sharp high contrast images and serves well as a general purpose telescope while the 80's specialty is its wide field. The only problem I ever had with an ETX-90 is you run out of light before you run out of magnification, which is why I eventually picked up an ETX-125. I still love my little 90 though, it's such a nice compact scope while the 125 is a bit more of a handful.
I have the ETX-80's smalle sibling the ETX-60 and for wide field viewing under dark skies it works great, but the low magnification is a bit limiting. The ETX-90 gives brighter, sharper, and higher contrast images and does very well on most deep sky objects. Like most deep sky observing you're more effected by the sky conditions than the scope. Clusters, globulars, and bright nebula do fine from inside the city (my back yard) with my 90, but galaxies are a struggle (but they're tough even with my 16.5"). Out under dark skies it does a great job on most objects.
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Meade LXD75-N6/SN6/SC8, DSX-90, ETX-60BB, ETX-125PE, DS-2130
Orion StarBlast, BinoViewers, Coronado PST
Rebel XT/XTi, DSI Pro (I, II, & III), DSI, LPI, Electronic Eyepiece, Phillips SPC900NC
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dmdouglass
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Although the above response states things pretty well, sometimes it is good to “know the numbers” when comparing equipment. There are at least three (4) things to consider when looking at telescopes. These would be “construction style”, such as “Reflector/Refractor”, Aperture (the diameter of the tube), Focal Length (distance light travels from entry of the tube to the eyepiece), and “Field of View” of the telescope (developed with the other values…).
There is a saying in astronomy, that “Aperture is King”. Meaning, that more is better. Why? Because the bigger the opening of the tube, the more light that it collects. That makes seeing fainter objects easier. Four (4) inch telescopes are very popular, then 6”, 8”, 10”, 12”, and 14”. Some of the “Dobs” reach out to 36”. The difference between 80mm and 90mm (3.15” and 3.5”) is not a significant amount, although 3.5” (90mm) is better, as bigger is better.
Focal Length is a very important item. It measurers the distance between the beginning of “light handeling” of the telescope, and the “focus point” at the eyepiece. It is a value provided by the telescope maker, and is usually stamped on the telescope somewhere. A “refractor” (such as the ETX-80) is a “one-pass straight thru” type telescope. A “reflector”, (such as the ETX-90) makes multiple passes through the tube, using mirrors. You can see this by looking down the tube from the front. Focal Length is used to calculate “speed” (the “f” ratio), and multiplication factor. The longer the focal length, then the higher the “magnification value” for similar eyepieces. A standard eyepiece for Meade telescopes is 24mm. The ETX-80 has a focal length of 400mm. The ETX-90 has a focal length of 1250mm.
Magnification is determined by dividing the Focal Length by the size of the Eyepiece. For a constant eyepiece of 24mm, then the ETX-80 would be (400/24) about 16x. The ETX-90 would be (1250/24) about 52x.
Field of View is the calculated by dividing the “Apparent” field of view of the eyepiece (supplied by the Mfg…), by the magnification (as calculated above). Assuming a nominal field of view of 50 degrees for the constant 24mm eyepiece, the ETX-80 would have an operational field of view of (50/16) about 3 Degrees, and theETX-90 would be (50/52) about 1 Degree. From this we can learn two ways to express “field of view”. Higher magnification produces narrower field of view. Longer focal length produces narrower field of view. Another way to say the same thing would be these two comments. Lower magnification produce wider field of view. Shorter focal length produces wider field of view.
OK, that’s my 2 cents on the subject. Hope that helps. By the way, I have an ETX-70 (Refractor), and an TX-90, as well as an 8” LX200 and an 80 mm Series 5000 ED APO. Each scope has its own “best application”, and I use each of them for various opportunities. There is no “one is best”. It really is a function of what you can afford, and what you want to see.
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Joe Lalumia
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I have an ETX 90 and use it when I am too lazy to carry one of the larger scopes outside-- just remember both scopes are small aperture----- and the ETX 90 is considered a "slow" telescope-- add your local light pollution and just about any dim fuzzy over about 8th magnitude or so will not be visible; except with a camera. From a dark site it will perform much better.
This still permits you to see many many sky objects. Clear Skies!
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Rob_G
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Just a few things to consider. First, the 90 has a central obstruction. The end result is that the 80 will have a brighter image, even though it has less aperture. But, the 80 is not an apo, it's a fast achro, so there will be false color, and probably plenty of it.
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brianb11213
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Quote:
First, the 90 has a central obstruction. The end result is that the 80 will have a brighter image, even though it has less aperture.
That's simply not true ... spreading area of the central obstruction round the edge would reduce the aperture by about 3mm. If the 80 has a brighter image it's because the magnification is lower (shorter focus). I'd expect to be able to see stars about 0.2 - 0.3 mag fainter with the 90 ...
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Frank2
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Quote:
First, the 90 has a central obstruction. The end result is that the 80 will have a brighter image, even though it has less aperture.
Also, the "false color" that the fast achromat produces is not only annoying, the light to create the color is subtracted from the image you want to view reducing the brightness in that spectral area. Additionally as a result, the colors perceived are not as accurate.
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