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jmasin
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Yet another M13
      #3124559 - 05/24/09 01:58 PM

I debated whether to post this now that I'm happy with it given there have been so many EXCELLENT versions posted lately, but what the heck

Orion 8" Newt w/Televue Paracorr (F/5.6)
30x180s + 10x120s layered in for additional color
Autoguided using KWIQ package & PHD
Nikon D80, ISO800

I did my best to get an even but non-clipped background, but I think my next purchase will be an LP filter... these weird orange gradients are driving me nuts!

Actually snagged two little faint fuzzies, IC 4617 (center bottom) and PGC2084232 (upper left). I know why I love this hobby, every time I look at these photos I'm amazed all over again at everything that is out there!

Any and all constructive criticism welcomed, I'm very new to this!

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Jon

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Orion Atlas 8" (203mm f/4.9 on Atlas EQ-G)
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Aza
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Re: Yet another M13 new [Re: jmasin]
      #3125165 - 05/24/09 08:28 PM

Thats very good indeed. Especially if you are new to this!

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Dave M
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Re: Yet another M13 new [Re: Aza]
      #3125302 - 05/24/09 10:22 PM

Jon, Top Notch shot...Looks Great!

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jmasin
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Re: Yet another M13 new [Re: Dave M]
      #3125828 - 05/25/09 08:41 AM

Thanks guys. This was ~1.5hrs of exposure and easily 5-10x that in processing. There were quite a few "do-overs" and resets.

I did figure out a method that I think will work pretty good for clusters.

When stretching, it is really easy to loose almost all color in the brighter stars. So what I did was take a lower exposure stack (120s vs. 180s for the main stack) and didn't stretch it as far. Then I used that shorter stack as a "color" layer in photoshop. You can up the saturation quite a bit, apply a ~1px gaussian blur to the color layer and it turns out nicely coloring the stars.

Not quite LRGB but that's where I got the idea.

Thanks for the comments!

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Jon

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Tasco 60mm (~35 years old and still kicking!)
Nikon D300, 80, 70 & many lenses
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Heine DK
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Re: Yet another M13 new [Re: jmasin]
      #3126030 - 05/25/09 10:50 AM

Very nice M13. I especially like the background level. Very natural and not clipped. Great capture and processing. Congrats.

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Star surfer8
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Re: Yet another M13 new [Re: Heine DK]
      #3126067 - 05/25/09 11:10 AM

Nice M13 Jon.

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slenarz
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Re: Yet another M13 new [Re: Star surfer8]
      #3126531 - 05/25/09 03:29 PM

Jon,
I'm glad you posted that. Your M13 was great. Can you explain your processing more thoroughly. I've never done a stack with different exposure lengths. I'm really not sure how to do it. I am currently using image plus and don't have photoshop. Steve

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16" Dob
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jmasin
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Re: Yet another M13 new [Re: slenarz]
      #3126936 - 05/25/09 07:30 PM

slenarz,

Thanks alot!

Unfortunately I did use PS to use layer capability.

Basically I took two stacks
30x180 sec, ISO 800
10x120 sec, ISO 800

This is the first time I've tried this, so there may be more optimal ratios etc.

  1. Align ALL frames in IP (120s and 180s frames so they are all registered the same)
  2. Stack just the 30x180s with avg combine
  3. Digital Development - Adjusted the break point until I was happy with star exposure (in this case the number of stars toward the outer edges of the cluster). At this stage some of them are still pretty weak, and for the brighter ones color is disappearing - don't sweat the color for this stack
  4. Adjusted the background weight so there was no background clipping (check with the histogram in IP). At this stage I had a gradient on the right, but I was going to kill it in PS
  5. save off this stack

  6. Now stack the 120s frames in a separate file
  7. Digital development again on this stack, but be much more gentle with the breakpoint, the goal is to get enough exposure to ID the larger stars and save some color, don't worry about the faint stuff
  8. for this stack, I left the background clipped - BLACK. I'm going to use it for a color layer only and I don't want the background to have a color in this case
  9. Up saturation - overdo it a little bit because I'll use a Gaussian blur later

  10. Now import both stacks into PS, put the 120s stack on top of the 180s stack, and choose overlay=color. The point is for the 2nd stack the only purpose is to apply the color. I got this idea from the LRGB approach. I concentrated on exposure with the 180s stack and color on the 120s stack.
  11. Applied a ~1px Gaussian blur to the 120s color layer to remove some noise


That's the gist of it. I also did some more curves adjustments on top of the 180s stack (below the color layer) to bring out some of the fainter stars, and used some masking to avoid blowing out the core.

On top of it all is a levels layer to set the background to as close to 30,30,30 I could get w/o going over that.

The advantage to this method is that you don't lose color in stars by over exposing (which will happen naturally with any long exposures), and you decrease color in the background by slightly clipping the color layer. Any color gradients (which I have alot of) in the background are at least reduced.

Of course this would not work for nebula, I understand that, but it seems to work nicely for the cluster. I'm reworking my M5 with this method too and it is definitely getting better.

I hope this helps, or at least helps with some ideas!

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Jon

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Tasco 60mm (~35 years old and still kicking!)
Nikon D300, 80, 70 & many lenses
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slenarz
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Re: Yet another M13 new [Re: jmasin]
      #3127373 - 05/25/09 11:58 PM

Jon,
Thanks so much for an excellent reply to my question. I will have to try your method of layering. I do have photoshop 5.5. Is there a capability of doing any of this in Image Plus? I really do appreciate your help with this. My buddy Mike Unsold was just here tonight and I know he would help me, but he lives 50 miles away and not readily available at times. By the way he mentioned and showed me how to measure the eccentricity of stars in IP. He believes in looking at the eccentricity stats that I probably didn't have my camera in flush. I'll know when we have our next clear night. Again, thanks Jon for your explanation of what you did to combine different exposures. I'm excited to try it. Steve

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8" ATRC
16" Dob
120mm Refractor
80mm William Optics Refractor
80mm Orion ST
10" Meade Schmidt-Newtonian
100mm Binoculars
Atlas Eq-G Mount


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turbo399
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Re: Yet another M13 new [Re: slenarz]
      #3127485 - 05/26/09 01:57 AM

Jon
Great image!!!

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