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Memo
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My first experiences as a newbie
      #313512 - 01/17/05 02:36 PM

Hi, after almost 2 months with my scope I want to share some points of my experience with other newbies. I know I have a very short time with my telescope, but precisely because of that maybe this recent experiences can help another people:

  • Don't be frustrated if you can't see a lot of objects at the beginning. As time passes, you'll begin to see a lot more and more easily. Just enjoy each night and what you can see that particular night.
  • Always let the scope, EP, finder, and used gear to dry after a night of observation. One night I left on the covers I use to transport it to prevent dust inside the scope, and the next morning it was soaking and a little 'dew' print is still on my primary.
  • Use warmer clothes that you think you'll need, remaining seated and still doesn't generate to much heat at all.
  • If you don't have heaters, keep the EPs inside a pocket of your jacket (covered with the caps), inside the car, or another warm place. Letting them in the EPs holders of the telescope base, make them a nice dew prize.
  • As a practice, every night I rediscover objects I've previously seen. Two reasons for that: 1) I see more detail from time to time 2) It helps me to feel comfortable moving around the sky and learning constellation positions, names and shapes.
  • Even having the Intelliscope, I actually use it very little. I prefer to find the objects using star hopping with charts, planispheres and computer generated prints; I found more rewarding this way to search the skies and I've learned pretty much this way.
  • Start with easy to find/view objects, it'll help your night vision (except if you start with the moon of course ) and makes you more confident with what you're doing. In time I find myself moving faster and easier between objects.
  • My personal list of 'almost indispensable accesories' is, in this order: Chair, planisphere, Telrad (and home made dew shield for Telrad), Binos, red flashlight, sky Atlas, notebook and pencil.
  • My personal list of 'very useful accesories' is, in this order: carring case, intelliscope, laser collimator, Turn Left at Orion, Balrow (Personally I'm partially frustrated with the Balrow, maybe because it's not of high quality optics, don't know )
  • My personal list of 'almost not used accesories' is: color filters.
  • I purchased one set of EP that isn't of very high quality but neither of very high price. It has been great because now I know which EP I use and like the most, so now I have in mind what kind of EP to search for.
  • Try, I know it's very hard, to use your actual gear before purchasing a lot of stuff. There's a lot to see with limited equipment and your future purchases become more selected and useful.
  • Be careful, but don't be afraid with your scope. Collimation of both mirrors, dismounting the focuser, etc is not as hard as it seems. (Of course there are some things I'll don't do yet... or I never will ). And it helps to understand how the scope works and feel more comfortable with it.
  • Check your scope collimation before every night of observation.
  • Personally, the more I go out, the more I use my binos before starting with the scope. I've found many things with them and is nice just to look around for a while.
  • Make a list of objects to search for each night you go out. But be prepared for improvisation, sometimes those are the best nights.
  • I keep a written log of each night of observation. I still doesn't know a lot about technical terminology so I write it in simple language, but it forces me to describe what I'm seeing, look for more detail and even draw a little (I'm terrible drawing ).
  • Use the CN groups a lot . Don't be afraid to ask, there are a lot of people that will help you here.


Clear skies to all of you.


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Guillermo Castaño (SIRIO)
Orion XT8i / Intelliscope
Bushnell 10x50
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Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: Memo]
      #313538 - 01/17/05 02:49 PM

Great summary of your experiences....thanks!

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Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: Memo]
      #313551 - 01/17/05 03:04 PM

Very well said, Guillermo.. thank you!

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Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: Erix]
      #313558 - 01/17/05 03:08 PM

As a newbie myself, just over a week now I've read what you have said with great interest, It's been a little daunting looking for object I know is there but I just havn't found.
I was tempted to buy some new EP but have thought better of it until I get to know my scope and the limitations of what I have.

The idea of having bino's to search seems a great idea to me, I might be thinking of getting a pair to search the night sky and then try to use the scope to better advantage.

Thanks for your post it has encouraged me try a few new things out.



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Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: ]
      #313572 - 01/17/05 03:32 PM

Guillermo,

Excellent post - thanks for taking the time to summarize your thoughts.

Regards,
Harley

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Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: Memo]
      #313624 - 01/17/05 04:23 PM

Sirio:

Bueno amigo! Yo comprendo un poco Espanol and Astronomy (como se llama in Espanol Astronomy?).

Good report. Send us some clear skies!

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Frank

C-11 XLT
8" f/6 Newt on GEM
Tak FS-102II
SV 80L Triplet APO
Orion Mak 127mm
EQ-6 Mount on pier in backyard observatory
CG-5 AS (GOTO)
Surveyor's tripod/Hercules single-arm alt-az mount
SBIG ST-5C CCD and Canon Digital Rebel XT
Oberwerk 15X70s and Pentax 10X21s


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Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: Memo]
      #313643 - 01/17/05 04:40 PM

Quote:

Hi, after almost 2 months with my scope I want to share some points of my experience with other newbies. I know I have a very short time with my telescope, but precisely because of that maybe this recent experiences can help another people:

  • My personal list of 'almost not used accesories' is: color filters.





  • Great list of good advice. However, the color filters is greatly usedful on the planets and somewhat on the Moon.

    Ron B[ee]

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    4-inch Tele Vue TV-102 APO
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    Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: celestial_search]
          #313648 - 01/17/05 04:43 PM

    Quote:

    Sirio:

    Bueno amigo! Yo comprendo un poco Espanol and Astronomy (como se llama in Espanol Astronomy?).




    Astronomía, "Francisco" .

    Ron B[ee]

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    5-inch Tele Vue NP127 APO
    4-inch Tele Vue TV-102 APO
    8-inch f/6 Discovery PDHQ Dob

    Edited by Ron B[ee] (01/17/05 04:43 PM)


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    Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: celestial_search]
          #313651 - 01/17/05 04:44 PM

    Yes, I realised very early on that binos were a good way to start a session. I had a quality pair of 12 X 50 already.

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    Memo
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    Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: celestial_search]
          #313653 - 01/17/05 04:46 PM

    Quote:

    Sirio:

    Bueno amigo! Yo comprendo un poco Espanol and Astronomy (como se llama in Espanol Astronomy?).




    Hello Frank, very good spanish indeed. It's a pleasure to have news from you as always. Astronomy=Astronomía.

    Best regards

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    Guillermo Castaño (SIRIO)
    Orion XT8i / Intelliscope
    Bushnell 10x50
    Green eyes -0.25 Astigmatism


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    Chris Schroeder
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    Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: Memo]
          #313690 - 01/17/05 05:11 PM

    Nice job Sirio

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    Chris
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    Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: Memo]
          #313716 - 01/17/05 05:33 PM

    Great write-up. Bino's are definetly a big help for me especially when the transperency is poor. I can not see all the stars in some constellations required to triangleate. The binos I have really help even if I can not find the object I'm looking for in them they really help find the reference points.

    Also this may sound dumb, but don't make the mistake I did with your journal. I came in one night and wanted to write things down before I forgot and could only find a red pen. When I went out a couple nights later and tried to find my notes on an object I could not figure out why so many pages where blank. (red pen does not show in red light duh.)


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    Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: Chris Schroeder]
          #313733 - 01/17/05 05:45 PM

    Guillermo,

    Great stuff, definitly agree with the binocs bit. Had binocs for just under a year before i dived in with a scope and i thought that once i got my scope i would not use them much but as it has turned out i use them even more.

    Also going back to what you saw on the previous nights is definitly the way to go. Not just so that you find them quicker and familiarise yourself with the stars but also it helps you learn about seeing conditions. As a newbie its hard to determine what are good conditions and what are not, (apart from the obvious cloudy can't see a thing conditions!!!!)

    One vital thing missing is just have fun. I have felt so good finding things that it has made the hair on the back of my neck stand up, a feeling i haven't felt since playing Bron Yr Aur decently all the way thru on my guitar! (If you have never been Aurally pleasured by Jimmy Page then you may not understand that last reference!)


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    Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: ]
          #313845 - 01/17/05 07:28 PM

    Nice list. I totally agree with the sketching and keeping a log bit. I started doing it the other night and it really gives you some direction in what you're doing. It's also fun to check back on your notes from different dates on the same object.

    There is one thing I thought should be added: dont forget to look up, especially those of you with goto scopes (myself included). Sometimes I'll set up my scope and my eyes arent dark adapted and an hour later when actually look up for the first time since setting up I'm amazed at how many stars there are (and I live a stone throw away from new york city). It's also quite humbling.

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    Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: Memo]
          #313987 - 01/17/05 09:30 PM

    Hello Memo,

    Sounds like you covered everything. I particularly liked the part about not using electronics to find objects. I too am fond of star hopping, you never know what you may find along the way.


    Clear Skies,

    Roger

    Wish I could see the Southern Cross like you can there. Can I come to visit!!!!!


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    Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: ]
          #314076 - 01/17/05 10:22 PM

    Great report, can it go at the top with the others that give great info to the new observers?

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    Rob

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    Equatorial Platform
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    Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: ]
          #314510 - 01/18/05 11:04 AM

    Great post, Guillermo! Thanks for writing that for us.


    Quote:

    I have felt so good finding things that it has made the hair on the back of my neck stand up, a feeling i haven't felt since playing Bron Yr Aur decently all the way thru on my guitar! (If you have never been Aurally pleasured by Jimmy Page then you may not understand that last reference!)





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    Re: My first experiences as a newbie new [Re: Bill Grass]
          #314537 - 01/18/05 11:28 AM

    One other have to have accessory imho is either a comfortable lounge chair or air mattress to lie on while using binoculars.
    It gives you a wonderful place to lie and just scan the skies with while helping you hold the binocs steady and is a lot warmer than lying on the ground.

    GREAT LIST!!! I find it interesting that you, as well, don't use the intelliscope controller much. There are many times I don't bring it outside with me.

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    Memo
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    Re: My first experiences as a newbie (Revisited) new [Re: Memo]
          #334854 - 02/06/05 11:06 AM

    Just an update:
    • Re-greasing the focuser if you have a cheap one as mine should be on the top of your to-do list. It's pretty easy, cheap and the difference is huge.
    • If your focuser 'trembles' a lot, as mine did, pay attention to the two small allen screws in the focuser. Tightening them a bit makes a huge difference! Check this place for detailed info.
    • As a practice, every night I come back home, I take time with my Sky Atlas to go over all the objects I saw. It has helped me a lot to later identify them more easily and begin to recognize patterns in the sky.

    Best regards

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    Guillermo Castaño (SIRIO)
    Orion XT8i / Intelliscope
    Bushnell 10x50
    Green eyes -0.25 Astigmatism


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    Re: My first experiences as a newbie (Revisited) new [Re: Memo]
          #334879 - 02/06/05 11:33 AM

    Sirio:

    Greetings. Interesting, I often do the same thing! Those memory cells don't work well unless you keep beating them into submission!

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    Frank

    C-11 XLT
    8" f/6 Newt on GEM
    Tak FS-102II
    SV 80L Triplet APO
    Orion Mak 127mm
    EQ-6 Mount on pier in backyard observatory
    CG-5 AS (GOTO)
    Surveyor's tripod/Hercules single-arm alt-az mount
    SBIG ST-5C CCD and Canon Digital Rebel XT
    Oberwerk 15X70s and Pentax 10X21s


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