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moynihan
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Opposition to the theory of evolution via natural selection will not go on for ever.
Absent political fiat, it becomes a dominant view among technicians, scientists, and eventually ordinary folks (witness most of Asia, Europe, Canada, etc.).
Two societies politically banned it, and it crippled a variety of practical endeavors, (National Socialist Germany, and Stalinist Russia, forbad it, since it did not fit their particular telelogical views).
The theory is now one of the basic mental tools underlying many applied sciences, including medicine, agriculture, genetics, bio-engineering, nueroscience, etc. even cybernetics. In other words, it produces repeatable useful, results. it makes money, has to do with economic development.
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MMICKELS
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OK let's not get personal here. This thread is headed towards being locked IMHO!
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Mark
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MikeS
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jrcrilly
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Sure. There's plenty of it. I'll see if I can get somthing posted later on. Just don't quite have the time right now.
Rob
Hi, Rob.
Please DO NOT post religious material disguised as scientific fact.
I'll say it one more time - we aren't going to let this become a theological discussion.
Only a minority of the faithful on this planet believe in your Creation. You aren't going to convince any of them to adopt your religion, and you aren't going to convince those of a scientific bent either. All you can hope to achieve here is to alienate all of the above.
Believe what you will - don't try to force it down everyone else's throat.
Everyone else: Before anyone starts thinking I'm siding with them I'll point out that I address that statement to everyone. Believe what you will - enjoy it, cherish it, live by it. Just try to be sufficiently sophisticated to realize that none of us acquire our world view by reading stuff online. You aren't going to convince anyone to change his or her mind by your prose here; all you can hope to do is to irritate or offend them. We don't intend to permit you to do either one.
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MaritimeSky
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Wow. This is still going (I know, I should talk)!!! There's 10 pages worth of why there is less proof of creation than evolution, but just to bring up what seems to be a *conveniently* overlooked point yet again, evolution is a UNIVERSAL process, not something tacked on to living creatures to simply explain nothing more than why they are here. If the universe evolves, so does EVERY part of it, and we know the universe is evolving. But I guess if life isn't evolving along with the universe, then it must not be even a PART of the universe..? Please feel free to dispute that evolution does NOT occur outside of living or once living things... PLEASE! We are only here because we have a planet to be HERE on. The universe had to evolve to create the very planet we populate, and to allow it to become inhabitable. It evolved to create our sun, our solar system, and all the things we've discovered in the universe which we didn't know were there before, and which creation never pointed toward the existence of (no mention, no credit) like Pluto, Sedna, extrasolar planets, distant galaxies, quasars, pulsars, black holes, Pangea, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes, plate tectonics, global climate patterns, ice ages, erosion, extinction... you get the idea.
If this horse ain't dead yet, would somebody please kill it??? 
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MikeS
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If this horse ain't dead yet, would somebody please kill it???
I'll second that!
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moynihan
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Loc: Wisconsin
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If this horse ain't dead yet, would somebody please kill it???
I'll second that!
And hearing no objections 
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wilash
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I think we need a dead horse graemlin. I will shot my horse, if you shot yours. In honor of this thread, I promise my gun will go off with a big bang.
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matt
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Reged: 07/28/03
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Loc: Chaville, France
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OK guys, I'm locking this thread. Beating a dead horse is one thing, behaving obnoxiously while beating one is another. You can resume this conversation when you find a way of doing it without trolling, name-calling, putting up blind statements, and quoting people on areas where they are not experts (Fred Hoyle on Evolution, Tiger Woods on Federal Reserve Prime Rates, etc...).
I deleted most of the posts on this last page so that what remains to be seen is not too ugly.
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