Scott K
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Hey, it must be insect week on the observatory forums!
So anybody have any ideas with how to keep wasps, both mud-daubers and paper wasps, from nesting in your observatory? Both have discovered mine this year, and I've knocked their nests out a couple of times now, and it's getting tiresome. I am particularly annoyed with the mud-dauber who build a nest on the outside of my OTA!
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roscoe
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Scott,
I saw something interesting about paper wasps, they are territorial. In a seed catalog, I saw offered a chinese paper lantern-looking replica of a wasp nest that keeps real ones away. Worth a try!! Mud daubers are solitary, so much harder to dissuade. I find their nests in all manner of weird places around here..........
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1965healey
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The simple answer would seem to be to find the gaps they're coming in through. Last year I weather stripped every gap I could see while sitting in the obs with the roof closed on a sunny day and haven't had ANY critters winged or otherwise since.
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Same here, Karen, I sealed every possible place I could see any light. No critters creeped in. Not to mention, absolutely no moisture. A little more work, but well worth it.
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Scott K
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Yeah, I've been thinking about that Karen. Where they come in is between the shutter and the door. There's a 1-2" gap they can fly right under. What I need is to construct some sort of a soffit, attached to the door, but that still allows me to open the door (which opens outward), and that doesn't interfere with the shutter, which will have to pass right over it.
I'm thinking of something maybe involving window screening.
Part of the problem is this is all curved. The other part of the problem is that lots of the obvious places to attach something either move or have hardware in the way. (Or both.)
I'd just go cut something out of wood, but I don't actually own any woodworking tools. (Unless you count a pocket knife / multi-tool & a caulk gun.)
I'll take some pictures tomorrow.
In the meanwhile, maybe Styrofoam or duct tape is the answer...
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1965healey
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Pix would be good.
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Scott K
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Will do Karen. Sorry, it was dark by the time I had cleaned up enough inside the dome to think about photos. I looked through my collection of photos, and don't seem to have one that shows the problem area. I'll fix that right up tomorrow!
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RichardC
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Dear Scott
You could try hanging compact discs around the outside of the observatory. You need to hang them from something like fishing line so they turn in the breeze, one every yard or so. Wasps and other insects cannot stand the sudden flashes of light as they revolve in the sun.
I apologise if this is a well known practice in the US and you have already discarded the idea. But in Greece many people use this technique when doors and balconies are open in the summer - and it seems to work. Of course the observatory might take on a different, more glitzy appearance - but it is only for their nesting season, they can come down in the fall/winter.
Just a thought
Richard
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LOL.....
I just use a stick and my foot...the stick I use to knock the nest down my foot kicks the nest out the door...
Lady Bugs are what I need to find a solution for...
Bob G.
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GJJim
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Dear Scott
You could try hanging compact discs around the outside of the observatory. You need to hang them from something like fishing line so they turn in the breeze, one every yard or so. Wasps and other insects cannot stand the sudden flashes of light as they revolve in the sun.
I apologise if this is a well known practice in the US and you have already discarded the idea. But in Greece many people use this technique when doors and balconies are open in the summer - and it seems to work. Of course the observatory might take on a different, more glitzy appearance - but it is only for their nesting season, they can come down in the fall/winter.
Just a thought
Richard
LOL - finally a use for all the billions of CDs that AOL mailed out years ago! 
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RichardC
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Do I sense doubt?
Read about the effect of 'shimmering mexican waves' on wasps here: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080909204550.htm
Alternatively I could propose Vick's chest rub which has anecdotal evidence as an effective wasp repellant. Just rub it firmly into the observatory eaves. Not so glitzy but it might warm things up.
Cheers
Richard
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Scott K
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That's very interesting Richard - the article was quite interesting. I might have to give that a try. I am not quite sure where I'd hang the CD's from - the dome doesn't really have a great spot to hang anything from where it could still turn in the breeze.
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1965healey
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Tall bamboo poles, one every six feet or so around the perimeter of the obs strung with fishing line at a height that you won't clothesline yourself on then dangle the CD's from more fishing line. Should make you a real hit with the HOA if you have one!
I vote for some of the adhesive backed foam insulation you use around window AC units on the bottom of the shutter and a bit on the door as well to form a nice seal. Cheap, tidy looking and effective.
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GJJim
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Do I sense doubt?
No, I believe you. The post struck me as funny because my wife has a box with hundreds of those AOL CDs in it. Whenever I threaten to toss them out, she tells me no, they are going to be used in some future project. This has been going on for ten years!
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Scott K
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I vote for some of the adhesive backed foam insulation you use around window AC units on the bottom of the shutter and a bit on the door as well to form a nice seal. Cheap, tidy looking and effective.
That might be tricky. The gap is wide on the left and right (4") and narrow in the middle (1.25").
Some photos:
Outside, with everything closed:
Outside, slot partially open:
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Scott K
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Here's a view from the inside, with the slot closed:
Now the left side: (as you face out, hinge side of the door)
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Scott K
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Now the center:
Finally the right side: (as you face out - by the door latch and hasp)
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Scott K
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Some observations:
1. Anything attached to the shutter has to clear the cables, and honestly, can't really cover the entire area anyway, because it will interfere with the movement of the shutter up and down.
2. The door itself swings out, a flange on the right side of the door fits into a groove on the dome support ring. Anything you add can't interfere with this, or you can't open the door.
3. That outer ring where it looks like it would be nice to attach something? It rotates. Do not assume the dome is perfectly round (it's not) and that if something fits when the slot and door are lined up, that it will fit when the slot is facing 180 degrees.
4. Anything you attach to the non-moving parts of the dome have to be able to deal with the rear of the dome when the dome is open. You would think that everything would be uniform and level at all times. But no - when the dome is open, the dome is actually unbalanced signifigantly. The entire weight of the shutter rests at the back of the dome, and when that part rotates towards the door, it has to clear any and all hardware attached to the non-rotating parts of the structure. Notice the two small L-shaped brackets on the door. I had to grind those down - a LOT to keep the rear of the dome from scraping on them when the dome rotated due south.
Edited by Scott K (06/21/09 01:09 AM)
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1965healey
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I see your point about how things are all "different" in alignment depending on where in it's rotation the dome is. A question then....
1. Do you always shut down the dome with the shutter directly over the door? If so then try this.
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Scott, what you might try are wall paper hanging brushes. What I envisage is two or three (whatever it takes to span the distance) mounted on a board. The board is not permantely mounted just velcro or similar-put in place when you leave, and removed when you are in the obs.
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CarolG
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I tend to agree with using something low tech and not permanent. Looking at your pictures, would something simple like an old blanket or sheet rolled up and stuffed into the opening work? If you did this from the inside, it wouldn't show on the outside. It would be a hassle to have to take it down and put it up all the time, but wasps are a hassle too, especially mud daubers. Their nests are a real pain to take down and they're messy to remove. The fact that they've already built a nest on your OTA is really frightening!!
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Scott K
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Karen: I don't think the velcro will survive outside in the weather. Maybe I can do something similar though, with screening material and magnets.
Hubert: I am going to look into your idea. I'd mount a board on the stationary (blue) edges. I'd need to find brushes with sufficiently long bristles, but the nice thing is those wouldn't interfere with the cables, or the operation of the shutter.
The only issue would be that there would still be a gap between the top of the door (the white part in the picture, and the bottom of the board. I think I could weatherstrip pretty on the bottom of the board, though, and leave little, if any, gap between the board and the top of the door, but still allow the dome to rotate. (It is important that any solution that's installed inside the dome allow the dome to rotate - if the controller malfunctions, the dome will spin. If something blocks the rotation, you will damage the motors.)
Honestly, if I didn't need to enter and exit through the door, you could just leave this in place permanently. (Actually for imaging, it would be swell to be able to LEAVE the seal in place, so that you didn't have to go out to the dome to open and shut it.
I don't suppose the seal has to be really tight to keep the wasps out, does it?
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CarolG
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Scott, when your dome rotates, the entire structure moves, right? I forgot about the door always being at the slit opening. That's a big problem when thinking about how to close those openings. Do you know if any electronic pest controllers ( Like These ) work? There seems to be mixed reviews about their effectiveness, but some seem to think they work.
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Pedestal
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The wallpaper brushes come in a couple of different lengths, obviously you'll want the longer brisle ones.
Edited to add: take a look at the spackling brushes, too.
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Edited by Pedestal (06/21/09 06:07 PM)
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Booji
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Strip brushes, that is what I use.
http://tinyurl.com/mttgl5
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Scott K
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Carol, some photos to show how things move. First outside:
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Scott K
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Inside:
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Scott K
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Strip brushes, that is what I use.
http://tinyurl.com/mttgl5
Thanks for the link, Booji! Are the strip brushes easy to bend, say into a semi-circular shape? Also, how do you attach them?
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Scott K
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By the way, I went back into the dome this afternoon to fix a broken contact on my shutter as one of them broke while I was using the dome last night (see attached), when I kept noticing mud-daubers buzzing around me. So I look around, and I find two more nests, one small one and one fairly big one, both up in the upper parts of the dome, where I can't reach them easily. I sprayed the mud-daubers, because they were really making it hard to work, and knocked the nests out.
My wife is going to construct something for me to temporarily block the opening, and it will involve old towels and velcro. My neighbor offered to cut a curved piece of wood on which I could mount some brushes for a more permanent solution.
As for tomorrow, I think I'm going to chemical warfare! 
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I noticed > 100 little spots on the tar paper underneath my roof where hornets? yellowjackets? have attempted to build nests but cannot get purchase on the tar paper.
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Booji
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I was able to bend them to fit a 4.5 ft radius, pretty sure they will take a tighter bend. The companies that sell them also sell strip brush holders, aluminum strips that can be used in a variety of configurations. They can also be cut without the brushes falling out.
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Scott K
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I was able to bend them to fit a 4.5 ft radius, pretty sure they will take a tighter bend. The companies that sell them also sell strip brush holders, aluminum strips that can be used in a variety of configurations. They can also be cut without the brushes falling out.
Excellent stuff, really thanks! If this works out, I may install a whole set of them around the dome as a dust / weather seal.
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Wow! Scott, I sure hope you get the wasps blocked out of your observatory! I'd be running for my life!
You might be able to use some of these brush strips to block the area.
brush strips
Thanks for sharing this problem with us, the suggestions, & your final solution can be of benefit for others.
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Scott K
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Wow! Scott, I sure hope you get the wasps blocked out of your observatory! I'd be running for my life!
Well, no danger to my life, fortunately, but unfortunately some danger to my equipment. 
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You might be able to use some of these brush strips to block the area.
brush strips
Thanks for sharing this problem with us, the suggestions, & your final solution can be of benefit for others.
Interesting that you mention mcmaster-carr. It turns out that Trevor (Hornblower) has a T.I. dome, and used these brushes as a dust seal for his dome. I'm going to PM him, and the maker of T.I. domes for instructions on how to install them. (I thought I remembered something like this, and did a search last night, and sure enough, he posted about that here on the forums.)
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I'm going to order some, to seal the small gap between the roof, & the fold-down back wall. Right now, I have a rubber strip across it, but it hangs up, when opening the roof.
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GrassyPond
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Hi Scott,
I had a broken contact exactlly like yours.I redrilled it and re-looped it into a smaller loop. It has been holding for about 5 months now.
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Scott K
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Hi Joe,
Yeah, I did that too. It's working. Now if only the dome would "home" reliably.
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This reply is a bit off topic Richard, but Vicks is also helpful to keep ants from walking down the string of hanging hummingbird feeders. And...if you have a fungus on your toe nails, it'll kill the fungus instantly. No prescription needed. LOL
Bill
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Scott K
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OK, so the current fix is a towel stuffed into the opening, and bug-spray around the couple of areas where they can enter the dome. I found no nests tonight, but did find two dead mud daubers.
Current score:
Mud-daubers: 6
Scott: 3
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That's good news Scott 
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Scott K
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Thanks Chris! Hey, that's you in Venice in your avatar photo, right?
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AlienFirstClass
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Dear Scott
You could try hanging compact discs around the outside of the observatory. You need to hang them from something like fishing line so they turn in the breeze, one every yard or so. Wasps and other insects cannot stand the sudden flashes of light as they revolve in the sun.
I apologise if this is a well known practice in the US and you have already discarded the idea. But in Greece many people use this technique when doors and balconies are open in the summer - and it seems to work. Of course the observatory might take on a different, more glitzy appearance - but it is only for their nesting season, they can come down in the fall/winter.
Just a thought
Richard
An excellent idea!!!
Seriously, it is.
And now I know what to do with that mirror ball I have from my disco days.
And if it works on wasps, I bet one could shine a red light on it at night and keep the mosquitoes away too.
Now where is that disco music I have...do you think the Bee Gees or Donna Summer is more appropriate for stargrazing? ;<)
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Thanks Chris! Hey, that's you in Venice in your avatar photo, right?
You are correct sir
R.I.P. Ed McMahon
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Scott K
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You are correct sir
Thought so, I was there in St. Mark's Square, across from the Doge's palace three years ago. I was tired, and couldn't keep up with the tour, so I sat down in a cafe, paid 6 Euros for a diet coke (with real ice!!!) and waited for the group.
Oh, I actually have stuff to report back on topic. I'll post some pics tomorrow of my wasp prevention system, Mark I and Mark II.
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You are correct sir
Thought so, I was there in St. Mark's Square, across from the Doge's palace three years ago. I was tired, and couldn't keep up with the tour, so I sat down in a cafe, paid 6 Euros for a diet coke (with real ice!!!) and waited for the group.
Oh, I actually have stuff to report back on topic. I'll post some pics tomorrow of my wasp prevention system, Mark I and Mark II.
I was there a couple of weeks ago and I think I sat at he same café and overpaid for my adult beverage too
It was sunny and in the upper eighties that day.
I use a couple of moth balls inside my observatory and no bees or other fly insects inside going on three years now. I also think my positive pressure ventilation system helps in this regard as well.
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Scott K
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So far so good - no wasps when I checked today!
Here is an image of the Mark I wasp deterrence system.
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Scott K
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Well, the Mark I system is pretty effective, but it's rather difficult to install in the dark. Also, it will tend to get soggy in the rain.
So, that brings us to the Mark II wasp deterrence system, which I think is significantly better:
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