beachchairbill
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Tried to find the Docter 40x80 for sale, however, I think they stopped making them. Anyone see these around or a Chinese version.
Anyone know if their is a web page that you can go to for the latest on Binocular advancements?
Beachchairbill
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brocknroller
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Since we're dreaming, let's make it two:
1. Nikon 10x50 EDG II : 6.5* FOV, 32 oz. weight, 18mm usable ER, 10 ft. close focus, smooth but precise no click stop diopter ring on the left EP, click-stop eyecups with four settings, lead and ED glass, coatings that produce at least the level of contrast and color saturation as the Venturer LX, and NO "rolling ball effect".
2. Nikon 8x42 SE II ED : 7.8* FOV, 28 oz., 18mm usable ER, 8 ft. close focus, ergonomics the same as the 10x42 SE, twist-up, click-stop eyecups with four settings - same width as the LX's, NOT original SE series. Lenses with lead and ED glass and coatings that produce at least the same level of contrast and color saturation as the Venturer LX. Smooth but precise no click stop diopter ring on the left EP. Minimal blackout issues with the EPs.
Oh, and here's the real "dream" part:
10x50 EDG II priced at $850.
8x42 SE II ED priced at $650.
I know, "Made in China".
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Member of the House of Kozak
Klingon Poet-Warrior
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prestonrich
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Miyauchi Galaxy 141s w/interchangeable EPs. Dream on...
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Preston
Montgomery Village, MD
Binos: Leica Trin 7x35 | Miya Saturn III | Canon 18x50is
Mounts: Man/Bog 475/501HD | QS Samson/Half Hitch | ASGT
Scopes: Questar 3.5 Duplex | C8 | Onyx 80 | LB 16" w/SkyCom & JMI TNT Track
EPs: Denk II PxS/FS | Hyperions, Brandons, filters, BIPH
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Mark9473
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Quote:
Tried to find the Docter 40x80 for sale, however, I think they stopped making them. Anyone see these around or a Chinese version.
I wonder why you would think they are no longer made? Just because some dealer stopped carrying them? They are definitely on sale in Germany:
http://www.optixxx.de/login.php?sess=8dmpfqmdfi1b7i2ingu3m5pkt6&abt=4&caller=nav
BTW the Docter Optics website was recently refurbished, check it out:
http://www.analytik-jena.de/en/DOCTER__157/
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Mark
Leica 8x20; Vixen 8x42; Swift 8.5x44, 10x50 and 20x80; TS 7x50; Orion 15x63; Docter 15x60
WO Megrez II 80 FD + Baader 90° T2 Amici
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RHoward42
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My dream binoculars:
1.Fujinon 12x50 FMTR-SX, if only one existed.
2.Leica 12x50 Ultravid HD if i had $2500 to blow. I would be so paranoid about dropping these.
3. Swarovski 10x42 SLC new. Love the compactess and heavy duty feel of these, and of course the view.
4. Swarovski 10x42 EL NEW version, when they come out. Wonder what they are gonna cost!
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Richard Howard
12x50 Bushnell Legend Roof
10x50 Fujinon FMTR-SX
10x50 Swarovski SLC NEU
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beachchairbill
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While I'm still dreaming, has any one seen a 40x80 for under $2,000.00?
Also, OB can build a 20x80 for less than $300.00 and Orion can build a 30x80 for less than $500.00, so why does a 40x80 go for $3,200.00 and a Zeiss 20x60IS go for $5,600.00?
Here is another question: Which mag ep's do I use with the GBT 100/45 with interchangeable ep's to arrive at 40x?
Beachchairbill
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GlenM
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Hi Beachchair,
12.5mm focal length would give you 42.4x
13mm Ethos would give you 40.7x if they would come to focus 
Of course we know that fitting "standard" 1.25 eyepieces a little bit tricky
Mag=focal length of eyepiece divided into focal length of bino/scope.
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Glen
www.lyraoptic.co.uk
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Man in a Tub
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Reged: 10/28/08
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Loc: San Francisco, CA
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A binocular with some kind of advanced imaging technology, unobtrusive and almost weightless, that would capture your field of view in color and also designed with an option to show you what you can't see all along the electromagnetic spectrum. Perhaps your field of view could be displayed on a wrist mini-monitor or PDA. And, of course, your observations could be recorded with time and date for later viewing on your computer.
15x70 and 20x80 models would be cool. Or better yet, this dream device could be used with any binocular.
Yeah, that's it.
Sketchless in San Francisco,
Todd
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Todd
Brunton Eterna 15x51 ° Garrett Optical Signature Series 15x70
Nikon Action EX 12x50 ° Oberwerk 15x60 and 20x80 Standard
Orion Paragon Plus Mount and Paragon XHD Tripod
Garrett Optical Series 2000 Grip-Action Monopod
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Muffin Research
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This is pretty cool, GOTO binoculars
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www.myspace.com/1978recordingstudio : Ambient/Experimental/Electro
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Joe Ogiba
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ultimate GOTO binoscope
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Pentax PF-80ED,Meade 102ED APO,Orion EON 72,120ST
Apex 127,C6 XLT,CR150,C9.25,XT10
Zeiss 7x42 FL,Canon 10x42L IS WP,15x50 IS
12x36 IS II
Garrett Optical 28x110 HD-WP Signature Series
Oberwerk BT-80 45, Apogee RA-88-SA
Denk II Power x Switch binoviewer w/13mm Ethos, 20mm Pentax XW's, 20mm Widescan III's.
17mm Ethos, 22mm Nagler, 40mm Pentax XW, 14mm Pentax XL, 5.2mm Pentax XL, 8-24mm Pentax XL Zoom
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Old Dinosaur
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Good grief!
Now is that thing cool or what?
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WRS Observatory
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beachchairbill
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Joe,
Not your grab and go binocular, but outstanding. I wonder what the view is like? Price - out of this world.
Glen,
Are you using the 5.3 as the binocular focal length?
Beachchairbill
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GlenM
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Loc: Lancashire UK
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Yes Bill,530mm.
Have you seen the new semi-apo from APM?
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Glen
www.lyraoptic.co.uk
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pcad
Carpal Tunnel
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Loc: Connecticut
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Joe, did you notice that not only were the EMS adapters used on the binoscope, but also on the finder.
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Peter
Telescopes 25 - 318 mm
Binoculars 15 - 88 mm
Microscope 50x - 1000x
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beachchairbill
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Glen,
No not yet, do you have a link and I hope it's a dream for someone.
Also see what you think of these numbers: For the GBT to achieve 30x, I would need to use 17.6x ep's, 40x I would need to use 12.5x, 20x, I would need to use 26.5 and for 15x, I would need to use 35.3x ep's, very interesting.
Thanks Glen
BB
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GlenM
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Hi Bill,
www.apmamerica.com for the new semi's.
You got the mag numbers right for our GT100's.
Always a pleasure to chat Bill.
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Glen
www.lyraoptic.co.uk
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ThomasM
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Hi Joe,
the ultimate bino looks realy great, it seems to have 10 inch lenses or so. Do have more information? were did you find the
nice picture.
Thomas
p.s. my dream bino would be something like a 160 f/6 or 200 f/5 with apo lenses, total weight below 15 kg ( if possible)
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beachchairbill
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Hi Glen,
Thanks for the web page and this sure looks like the GBT 100/45 with an additional three pounds added on.
And othe dream bins heading down thepike from them in the near future? Sure could use a 30x80, looks like Orion stopped makeing them. 20x60 or 22x60IS could use a good quality one for a much better price the the Zeiss for $5,600.00 - OUCH. Could also use a 40x80 for a much better price than the Docler at $3,200.00.
Please keep us posted from you side of the ocead.
Beachchairbill
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GlenM
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Hi Bill,
It's probably the same chassis for sure. The prisms must also be the same size. It was the ED glass that interested me. My GT100/45° sure produce CA. Then again we didn't buy them for Moon/Planets just beautiful clusters,and they do excel at that.
It's quiet at this side of the Atlantic.
I suppose my little dream binocular at the moment would be two Equinox 66's in a binoscope package. The little Equinox 66 is a very nice little scope. It's just creating such a package at a resonable price point.
Clear Skies.
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Glen
www.lyraoptic.co.uk
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Joe Ogiba
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Quote:
Hi Joe,
the ultimate bino looks realy great, it seems to have 10 inch lenses or so. Do have more information? were did you find the
nice picture.
Thomas
p.s. my dream bino would be something like a 160 f/6 or 200 f/5 with apo lenses, total weight below 15 kg ( if possible)
I don't have more info on that one but here is a link to a another one.
250mm binoscope
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Pentax PF-80ED,Meade 102ED APO,Orion EON 72,120ST
Apex 127,C6 XLT,CR150,C9.25,XT10
Zeiss 7x42 FL,Canon 10x42L IS WP,15x50 IS
12x36 IS II
Garrett Optical 28x110 HD-WP Signature Series
Oberwerk BT-80 45, Apogee RA-88-SA
Denk II Power x Switch binoviewer w/13mm Ethos, 20mm Pentax XW's, 20mm Widescan III's.
17mm Ethos, 22mm Nagler, 40mm Pentax XW, 14mm Pentax XL, 5.2mm Pentax XL, 8-24mm Pentax XL Zoom
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