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ebusinesstutor
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Reged: 07/01/09
Posts: 401
Loc: Nanaimo, BC, Canada
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As a child I was fascinated by astronomy. Living out in the country, I had no light pollution, and loved looking at the sky even though I had no telescope or binoculars.
My interest was rekindled when I noticed a local drug store had a FirstScope on sale for about $50. When I did some research on it, the reviews were mixed, but I thought I would get it anyway as it was an affordable starting point.
But when I got there they were sold out and would not be getting more.
So I did more research and came across this forum and learned about how binoculars are a great way to start with astronomy as they are more portable and can also be used for wildlife watching. This grabbed me as I was worried this new hobby might go the way of some other hobbies and a telescope would collect dust. And, since I live on beautiful Vancouver Island, there is lots of wildlife to watch.
Since I recently misplaced my small, low powered portable binoculars, I was thinking of replacing them with a better quality higher powered pair anyway.
The problem is that living in Canada that shipping works out quite high when ordering from the US.
So I am left with department store options and I did find one Celestron SkyWatcher dealer within one hours drive of here and his prices are quite reasonable.
I have gone through the excellent forum material here on choosing binoculars, but I have a few questions about these specific ones.
Here are some of the options available to me - all are within my budget - under $200 CAD:
1. Bushnell Astralis 15x70MM
2. Celestron SkyMaster 20-100x70 Zoom Binoculars
3. Celestron SkyMaster 25-125x80 Zoom Binoculars
Both my wife and I wear glasses, so we need to be able to wear these while viewing and I do have a tripod we can use for viewing.
Here are my questions.
1. Has anyone had any experience with the Bushnell Astralis?
2. SkyMaster has both Zoom and non-zoom versions. So how would the 20-100x70mm binoculars above compare to their 15x70mm nonzoom here for sky viewing?
3. If I choose the SkyMaster, what differences would the 25-125x80mm have from the 20-100x70mm for me?
4. It looks like the magnification on the zoom binoculars runs about 100x to 125x. Reading about telescope magnification, it looks like a 500mm telescope with a 4 mm eyepiece would have a magnification of 125x. This seems to be about the same as these binoculars. Or am I reading the specs wrong?
I really appreciate all the great information you have all posted here. It really helps people like me.
-------------------- Garland Coulson
Orion XT8i Dob
Celestron 80 ED on a Vixen Porta Mount Mini
Baader Hyperion 8-24mm Click Zoom
Siebert Observatory 36mm
Siebert Black Knight Binoviewers
SkyWatcher Observing Chair
Celestron Skymaster 15x70mm
Nikon Action 10x50mm
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Noble
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Reged: 06/29/09
Posts: 17
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I'm a newbie too, but so far I've had great luck with www.astronomybinoculars.com. They have great customer service and a good selection of products. Like you said, the shipping will be a pain, but at least you'll have more equipment geared specifically towards astronomy to choose from as well as good quality control.
I found this article invaluable when making my purchase. Easy to understand for newbies and contains a lot of good information on what to look for when purchasing a binocular.
I grabbed the Garrett 9X60 LW binocular, and it's been an excellent starting point. I've been able to spot several Messier and NGC objects even in light polluted skies.
I haven't had experience with zoom binoculars but everything I've read has said that they aren't really precise enough for astronomy. I'm sure some of the folks on this board can shed more light on that issue than I can.
Edit: One other thing, while the high power binoculars (magnification > 10x) are tempting I can already tell that starting with a low power one will be a good choice. I'm just figuring out how to "star hop" and recognize specific formations, it's pretty difficult at times and I can tell that it would be even more difficult with the smaller field of view conferred by high power binoculars.
Edited by Noble (07/01/09 03:01 PM)
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Rich V.
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Reged: 01/02/05
Posts: 1379
Loc: Carson Valley, Nevada, USA
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Since Canadian prices seem higher than US prices, I don't know if this will help you but here is the Canadian vendor list on the RASC website:
http://www.rasc.ca/info/vendors.shtml
The Bushnell Australis looks like one of the many similar Chinese imports sold under various brand names. Some vendors have more rigorous quality control than others.
Stay away from the zoom binoculars; they are universally accepted as being optically and mechanically inferior to fixed mag. binoculars.
Here in the US, the binoculars sold from Oberwerk (BigBinoculars.com) and Garrett Optical (cited in previous post) have good service and return policies. The Celestron 15x70s have mixed QC; some get lucky the first time, others have to return binoculars that are out of collimation. You may get lucky! Please read:
If They Look the Same, What Could be Different?
Understand that for best results, binoculars 15x and over need to be mounted on a tall tripod. If you want handheld views, 10x or maybe 12x is the usual limit.
Enjoy,
Rich V
-------------------- Binoculars:
33/50/75/150x100 Saturn III, 16x70 FMT-SX, 10x50 PCF-V, 10x43 DCF-SP, 10x35 E2, 7x35 E, 8x30 E2, 7x26 Custom, 8x23AS Diplomat, 8x23 Travelite
Scopes:
C9.25, 6" f8 reflector, SV80S
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Man in a Tub
Not Retired!, But a little cranky!!!
Reged: 10/28/08
Posts: 1883
Loc: San Francisco, CA
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Quote:
Stay away from the zoom binoculars; they are universally accepted as being optically and mechanically inferior to fixed mag. binoculars... Rich V
Just Say No to Zoom Binoculars
For the details of why, above is a link to Kevin Busarow's article at www.bigbinoculars.com
Best Regards and Clear Skies!
Todd
-------------------- Todd
Brunton Eterna 15x51 ° Garrett Optical Signature Series 15x70
Nikon Action EX 12x50 ° Oberwerk 15x60 and 20x80 Standard
Orion Paragon Plus Mount and Paragon XHD Tripod
Garrett Optical Series 2000 Grip-Action Monopod
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daniel_h
sage
Reged: 03/08/08
Posts: 469
Loc: VIC, Australia
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i agree re: the zoom bins -the views at higher mag's are terrible & severely degraded. 15x70 is a sweet spot though, you will need to put them on a tripod probably if you look for more thana few minutes - or recline lie back in an outdoor chair
-------------------- regal 10x42, 10x50ultras, 15x70 ultras, 20x80
Oly e-500, vixen 100/1000 with 0.965"/1.25",
2 old sturdy tripods for the bins (slik & velbon)
zeiss f5.6 refractor/lens (under construction)
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ebusinesstutor
sage
Reged: 07/01/09
Posts: 401
Loc: Nanaimo, BC, Canada
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Thanks everyone.
I went out today to get my hands on some actual binoculars. I avoided the zoom on the advice of a couple of you here. Thanks!
The Bushnell Astralis 15 x 17mm ($180 CAD) just didn't feel right in my hands and not just because of the size.
I came across some Nikon 10x50 Action VII binoculars ($130 CAD) and some Nikon 16x50 Action VII binoculars ($170) and a Bushnell 10 x 50m ($69 CAD). Both Nikons felt excellent in my hands and were easy for me to hold and focus - I found myself leaning towards the 16 x 50mm Nikon. The Bushnell didn't connect with me at all. Felt clunky and uncomfortable. Neither Nikon came with a tripod mount, but the sales clerk said they could order them in. She wasn't sure how much they cost, but said the Bushnell ones cost about $20 CAD)
I went to another store and came across a SkyMaster 15 x 70mm. and a Brunton 10 x 50mm ($49 CAD).
The Brunton 10x50mm was surprisingly good to my inexperienced eyes and hands and felt a lot better than the Bushnell 10x50mm. Has anyone had any experience with these inexpensive Brunton 10x50mm binoculars?
The SkyMaster 15x70mm felt good, much better than the Bushnell Astralis. It also had a tripod mount and was $30 cheaper. So I purchased it and will try it out tonight.
Once I got home, I realized I did something very stupid. Since all the stores are local, I should have purchased one of the Nikons, the Brunton and the SkyMaster and tried all three and then just taken back the ones I don't want. I may go out tomorrow and purchase the Brunton and a Nikon.
The Skymaster is to heavy to be handheld, so I hooked it up to my Optex DP174 tripod I use for my video camera and digital camera. It works and is stable but I find when I move it that it is too heaver overall for the tripod, so if I keep it, I should buy a sturdier tripod. The mountain looked great, but I really want to try it on the sky.
If I keep the Skymaster, I am tempted to go back and get the Brunton anyway as an inexpensive pair of binoculars to take hiking and traveling.
Thanks again all!
-------------------- Garland Coulson
Orion XT8i Dob
Celestron 80 ED on a Vixen Porta Mount Mini
Baader Hyperion 8-24mm Click Zoom
Siebert Observatory 36mm
Siebert Black Knight Binoviewers
SkyWatcher Observing Chair
Celestron Skymaster 15x70mm
Nikon Action 10x50mm
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