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stevecoe
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Reged: 04/24/04
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Hello binocular fans;
This afternoon I picked up a pair of Leupold Olympic 10X50 binoculars from Cabela's in Phoenix, Arizona. I used them for a moment in the parking lot just to make certain that they were OK to start and nothing had happened during shipping.
I guess nothing happened during shipping, they were great. The field was flat and contrasty with a "crystal clear" effect that I can only discribe, but you really should see for yourself. The binoculars seemed to "get out of the way" and just allow me to look for detail in distant buildings and mountains. There is a tiny amount of pincushion effect, a lamppost appeared bent right at the edge of the field of view. Other than that small problem, I was impressed.
Well, I just came in from an astronomical observing session and I am even more impressed. Splitting the wide pair of the Double-Double in Lyra was easy. I tried for Nu1 and Nu2 in the head of Draco and they were two seperate and sparkling white stars with no hint of overlap.
M 39 in Cygnus was a very well detached cluster and the binoculars resolved 19 stars in the cluster. Moving to the North America nebula showed a somewhat faint, but easily seen, glow in the famous shape. The dark lane that defines the "West Coast" is easily seen as a distinct dark nebula.
Moving to M 7 in Scorpius showed 21 stars resolved and M 6 showed off 18 stars with one of them BM Sco, a nice medium orange variable star on the eastern edge.
As the clouds came and went I looked along the Milky Way from Cepheus to Aquila and there is a treasure of light and dark features that are awe inspiring.
Even on a mediocre night these binoculars are very good indeed. I found them easy to use. I like the twist up eyecups, they keep my eye at exactly the right distant for best viewing. They stayed in focus or near focus so I never needed to fiddle with the focus control often; the same can be said for the diopter and interpupillary hinge. All where firm and stayed in place very well.
I can't wait to get out under truly dark skies with these binoculars.
Clear skies to us all; Steve Coe
-------------------- 150mm 6" f/8 Celestron Refractor on CGEM Mount
TeleVue 102 refractor
Author "Deep Sky Observing" Springer-Verlag
Author "Nebulae and How to Observe Them" Springer
Canon Xt astrocamera with Hutech modification
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charen
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Thank you for the review. Leupold do not get much of a mention on C.N.'s obviously because they do not make the large astro size versions.
This is a shame as they do deserve more attention.
The one thing I notice from the specs. is that the Olympic 10x50's roofs have a 5 degree FOV which is a 50 degree Afov - did you find this 'restrictive' at all or was this not noticable ? It does appear from your review that most of the image is very usable with a minimum amount of aberrations and distortions.
The Olympic roofs along with the Cascade roofs are Japanese made. My Acadia 8x42 roofs - which are a level below the Cascades - are Phillipine sourced. The Acadias are impressive for a more 'entry' roof bino with a wide and usable 7.5 degree FOV.
Chris
-------------------- 35 binos.
80mm Cat.
WO66ED
SV NH 80mm / EQ3
Meade 8in.LX90
Skywatcher Equinox ED120 / Goto HEQ5.
Edited by charen (05/30/09 06:30 AM)
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mooreorless
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Thanks Steve for the very nice observing report. The Leupold Olympic 10x50 is one binocular I have wanted. Very light wt. for a 50mm binocular. I don't think I have ever read anything about using this binocular for astronomical observing. If I remember right Walter ngc6475 was going to buy one of these and did get one on Ebay but the binocular had mud etc. on it and wasn't as described so he sent it back.
-------------------- Regards,Steve M
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rookie
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Thanks for the report Steve.
Did you pre-order them or choose them from others in the store? What determined your choice?
-------------------- SV
Scope: Celestron CPC8
Binoculars: Garrett GT80~45, Fujinon 16x70, Regals 10x42, Ultima 9x63, Nikon AE 8x40
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stevecoe
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Loc: Arizona, USA
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charen, I did not find them restrictive at all, M 7 fit with plenty of room to spare and all of the wide angle 10X50's I have tried had too much field curvature for me. So, I am happy with my choice.
moreofless, I forgot to mention how light they were, thank you for reminding me. Only two pounds or so and very easy to hand hold for these 60 year old hands. They really just came ready to use and fell into place right away.
rookie; I pre-ordered them. I knew from a friend that Cabela's had good customer service and they were "on sale" on their web site. I have had trouble with UPS, so I had them sent to their store for me. Easy pick up. My choice came from their reputation and using friend's pair of 10X42's.
Clear skies to us all; Steve Coe
-------------------- 150mm 6" f/8 Celestron Refractor on CGEM Mount
TeleVue 102 refractor
Author "Deep Sky Observing" Springer-Verlag
Author "Nebulae and How to Observe Them" Springer
Canon Xt astrocamera with Hutech modification
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GlennLeDrew
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Steve, An excellent resolution test for a 10X bino (and the observer) is afforded by the 14" separation, equal-brightness pair 100 Herculis. If that one's too tough, the somewhat wider pair of 8 Lacertae (22") would be a good next target. Naturally, the bino needs to be steadily mounted. At 10X, each pair would subtend apparent separations of 1.4 and 2.2 arcminutes, respectively. The human eye's limit of resolution seems to be commonly stated as being 2 to 2.5 arcminutes.
(Epsilon Lyrae is of naked-eye separation, and nu Draconis, with its 1 arcminute separation, is considered resolvable with an opera glass.)
-------------------- Home-made 11X50 right angle bino, 8.1 deg. FOV
Modified 26X100 bino, 3.5 deg. FOV
Home-made Mk II RA bino, using interchangeable objectives and eyepieces
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EdZ
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Quote:
If that one's too tough, the somewhat wider pair of 8 Lacertae (22") would be a good next target.
Or these, all seen in 10x50s.
the fairly even double theta Serpens, 63 Ser, theta, Alya, 4.5-5.0/22", easily resolved, 61Oph, 6.0-6.5/21” easy to see difference in magnitude 24 Com, 5.2-6.7/20.3”, 12h40m +18d30m, south of Berenices Hair 12 CVn, alpha CVn, Cor Coroli, 2.9-5.5/19.4”, wide difference but still fairly easy Stf 485, Cam 7.0-7.1/18”, 4h05m +61n, easy, in o.c. 1502
and for a real challenge Stf 2690 Del 7.0-7.2/16.7", 20h35m +11.5n, even mag 7 double, clearly separated in 12x50, but much more difficult with 10x50s due too fainter magnitude.
Close doubles are fun in small binoculars.
edz
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stevecoe
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Reged: 04/24/04
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Loc: Arizona, USA
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I awoke last night at 2 AM and decided to break out the new binoculars and look along the Milky Way after the Moon had set. I am in an RV park near Wickenburg, Arizona, about 60 miles from metropolitan Phoenix. There are no street lights in the part, only a few porch lights among the inhabitants. I would rate the transparency as 6 out of 10, lots of detail in the Milky Way with the naked eye and stars to about 6th magnitude easily.
There were a few clouds to the south so I observed in Scutum and north from there. The dark lanes on the Scutum Star Cloud show excellent contrast and M 11 is a compact bright spot. In Ophiuchus the big cluster IC 4665 is easily resolved, I counted 22 stars and averted vision shows a few more and a fuzzy background.
In Vulpecula, Col 399 is the Coathanger and it showed all its glory, the bright stars stand out very nicely and there is a background of fainter stars that is easy to see. The Dumbell Nebula is easy to spot and I saw it as an irregularly round bright dot in a rich field of view.
The North American Nebula in Cygnus is easy and the shape stands out quite well. The dark lane that creates the "West Coast" shows excellent contrast with the glow of the nebula itself. M 39 is also easily resolved and the 19 stars resolved stand out prominently with the dark lanes that cut through this part of the Milky Way.
Overall, I am very pleased with these binoculars and really look forward to getting out under truly dark skies with them in the future. They are light weight, have a sharp field of view with excellent contrast and they hold focus with no trouble. I also like the twist up eye cups.
Clear skies to us all; Steve Coe
-------------------- 150mm 6" f/8 Celestron Refractor on CGEM Mount
TeleVue 102 refractor
Author "Deep Sky Observing" Springer-Verlag
Author "Nebulae and How to Observe Them" Springer
Canon Xt astrocamera with Hutech modification
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Gordon Rayner
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Are those Kamakura? They make the Alpen and the Brunton and the Fuji 14 x 40 stabilized, and the Nikon 14 x 40 stabilized, and the Captain's 7 x 50(not roof prism), as well as the second team Fuji 7 x 50 and the military version of the same. Most of the Japanese binocular industry is defunct. Kenko survive. Canon seem to be Japanese. Vixen also, and the big Fujinon mounted ones. One wonders If Japanese parts are assembled in China, vice-versa, or a mix. Probably some are all-Japanese, others all Chinese . Some models are assembled outside those two countries. I wonder about the phase coating on the roof prisms: is it a dielectric stack, or just a silvering/aluminization, or a combination?
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stevecoe
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Loc: Arizona, USA
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Gordon;
I can't answer any of your questions, put I really like the binoculars.
Steve Coe
-------------------- 150mm 6" f/8 Celestron Refractor on CGEM Mount
TeleVue 102 refractor
Author "Deep Sky Observing" Springer-Verlag
Author "Nebulae and How to Observe Them" Springer
Canon Xt astrocamera with Hutech modification
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charen
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Kamakura do supply for Leupold as well as well as Vixen, Nikon, Pentax, and Minox. They also assemble binos in the Phillipines - where production is cheaper - which is where my Leupold Acadias come from. The Olympics, Pinnacles, Cascades are directly Japanese sourced.
There is another Japanese binocular maker called 'Light optical works' [site below]. They supply for Bushnell - however it is difficult to find out who else they supply for. They also assemble some binos. in the Phillipines as does Nikon - again cheaper labour.
There was another Japanese maunfacture called 'Hakko' but I cannot find much info on them.
A usually getting info on Japanese OEM manufactures is difficult and is kept somewhat secretive.
I think we would be surprised that how many 'name' binos come from the same factory that use Japanese supplied lens and - the only differences between 'high end' and 'low end' binos comes down to quality control - and how much the importer is willing to pay for this.
http://www.light-op.co.jp/LIGHT_ENGLISH/index.html
-------------------- 35 binos.
80mm Cat.
WO66ED
SV NH 80mm / EQ3
Meade 8in.LX90
Skywatcher Equinox ED120 / Goto HEQ5.
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stevecoe
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OK, I will make one more short report and then quit because the outcome of the conversation is that these are excellent binoculars and if they are still on sale at Cabela's you might consider a pair.
Last night I was under skies with 7 out of 10 for transparency in southern Arizona. Lots of naked eye detail in the Milky Way and I could hold a 6.7 mag star constantly with direct vision, a very good night.
The clusters M7 and M6 in Scorpius were outstanding, both are resolved into about 25 stars and the red giant star in M6 (BM Sco) was easily seen as medium orange in color. M 24, the Small Sagitarrius Star Cloud has absolutely fascinating--lots of stars across the face of this star cloud with beautiful chains of stars and the two dark markings on the northern edge (B92 and 93) are easy and show good contrast.
M 17 showed inner bright detail and averted vision showed off an outer fainter nebulous area. M 8 is large, elongated and the dark lane that gives it the name "Lagoon" was easily seen to wind through the nebula. 12 stars were seen in the cluster within the nebula.
It was an joy to sit comfortably in a chair and enjoy the night sky with these binoculars. I have sold off all my others, except for a wide angle pair of 8X42's. These will be the binoculars I will be using for years to come.
Clear skies to us all; Steve Coe
-------------------- 150mm 6" f/8 Celestron Refractor on CGEM Mount
TeleVue 102 refractor
Author "Deep Sky Observing" Springer-Verlag
Author "Nebulae and How to Observe Them" Springer
Canon Xt astrocamera with Hutech modification
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argonav
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How is the edge sharpness of this model? I was thinking of getting the Leupold Mesa porro binos because of the reputation for sharpness across the field. So about how far from center can you get before the star images start looking bad?
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stevecoe
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Argonav;
At no place in the field are the star images "looking bad". Quite the opposite, the stars are quite small and round all across the field. I am enjoying the views very much and the stars are small hard dots across the entire field.
I have not had a chance to use the Leupold Mesa binoculars so I cannot comment on them versus my 10X50's.
Enjoy; Steve Coe
-------------------- 150mm 6" f/8 Celestron Refractor on CGEM Mount
TeleVue 102 refractor
Author "Deep Sky Observing" Springer-Verlag
Author "Nebulae and How to Observe Them" Springer
Canon Xt astrocamera with Hutech modification
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Cactilander
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Long, long time no see, Steve. Looks like you've kept busy . I'll have to take the drive to Wickenburg, see if we can spend some sky time together.
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Responding to Argonav's question: As it happens, I do own a pair of Leupold Wind River Mesa 10x50s. And while I haven't compared them to Steve's Leupold Olympic 10x50s, I can post a bit of info of how the Mesa model performs (or at least my sample).
To refresh my memory I went out tonight and did a quick comparison with a few other binocs, none of which are truly similar, but as similar as I could get: Swarovski 8.5x42 ELs, Minox HG 8.5x43 BRs, Celestron 12x36 IS II's.
And, for good measure, I brought out the Vortex Kaibab 15x56s and Leupold Katmai 8x32s. The 15x56 Kaibabs I often use for astronomy, while the tiny Katmai roofs are a personal favorite, the little Mighty Mouse of binoculars -- chunky little over-achievers that I take almost everywhere.
The thing that first comes to mind about the Mesa binocs is how comfortable they are. I (purposely) haven't checked the specs tonight, but they feel light in the hand and the objective barrels provide a very comfortable grip. The light weight, excellent balance, and comfy barrels make them very easy to hold steady. As with Steve's Olympics the twist-out eyepieces seem just right -- good light-blocking, yet not so enclosed that they are prone to eye-fogging, and they are comfortable enough for hours of observing.
There's a half-moon out tonight and the Mesas show very good crater detail down to the limits of my personal eyeballs. There's a hint of color fringing when the very bright moon is dead-center in the field, but only a tiny bit more than on the Swarovski and Minox, which show virtually none. Flare is visible all around the Moon, but that's to be expected and in that regard the Mesas are a good match to the Swarovskis, which show a bit of roof-prism "star filter" flare. (A bright moon -- the ultimate flare-control torture test -- is the only place I've ever seen that on the Swaros; it is not visible in any other situation. But of course porro prisms never have that problem at all. Neither do the Minox, for that matter. Minox binocs are very underrated, IMO.)
Vega is bright, sharp, and small. Its star image is so well-formed in the center of the field that I'm almost sure that with 2x or 3x multiplier on the Mesas the diffraction rings could be seen. Epsilon Lyrae looks like one could drive a truck through it. Under my magnitude 4-something city skies M57 is visible, but if I didn't know it already I don't think I'd swear it's non-stellar. Sidus Ludovicianum (Ludwig's Star, the "third star" between Mizar and Alcor in the handle of the Big Dipper, mag 8.8) is not visible to me tonight, but I suspect it would be fairly easy under better skies. I couldn't see it with the Vortex 15x56s either. That convinced me to go pull out my amazingly ugly but very capable Canon 15x50 IS binocs, and with those I think at times I could see Ludwig's Star just teasing at the edge of visibility...or maybe my imagination was playing tricks on me. But again, I blame urban civilization -- under dark skies I think the Mesas (and the Vortex and Canon) would have pulled it out easily.
On the Mesas everything from center to about 60% of the way to the edge is very sharp and stars well-formed. Beyond that there's a bit (a little bit) of stellar distortion, and near the very edges the distortion is severe. The edge distortion is more noticeable on the Mesas than some other binocs because the Mesas do not have a very large apparent FOV, so no eyeball contortions are required to see to its edges. With other binocs that have a larger apparent field it's so hard to look directly at the edges that far-edge distortion is less noticeable.
Other notes about the Mesas:
- Mine have a bit of a hard spot in the focuser rotation, but I attribute that to its years and hard knocks. I don't remember that little hard spot being there before. - I wish Leupold provided them with tethered caps. Mine came with four cheap, simple loose caps, which are a bit of a nuisance and prone to getting lost. - The Mesas look and feel very well made. I paid something like $200 for these several years ago, but they have the quality feel of much more expensive binocs.
Finally, a word about Leupold in general: Over the last 30+ years I've owned a lot of Leupold products -- not only binoculars but also rifle scopes, rangefinders, and a few other things -- and everything I've ever used by Leupold was of very high quality, very well made, and built to last. There are not many companies, of any kind, of which I could say something like that. After much experience with their products, they've earned my assessment that if they make something, I automatically assume it's very well made. I've never been disappointed. (And no, I have no connection with Leupold other than as a satisfied customer.)
I've heard that Leupold's product service is very good too, but I've never had to have anything repaired by them (nothing's ever broken), so I don't know that from first-hand experience. My Mesas came with a lifetime warranty, but again that was several years ago and I don't know if that's the warranty currently offered with them.
That's my take on the Mesas for astro use -- all-around very good to excellent binoculars for a very reasonable price.
For terrestrial use I'm not quite so quick to reach for the Mesas. Like all porro-prism binoculars, they are rather bulky, and their closest focus distance is not very close at all (over 20 feet). For some people close focus doesn't matter, to me it does because I like to look at things like insects. For that kind of use it's hard to beat the Swaros and Minoxes, both of which focus down to 8 feet or so, and particularly the little Katmais, which focus down to less than 5 feet. At that distance at 8x you can read the license plate on a gnat.
So that's one man's take on a pair of slightly aged Leupold 10x50 Wind River Mesas. I hope it helps.
-------------------- Wil M. / Phoenix, Arizona, USA
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Favorite binocs: Swarovski 8.5x42 EL, Vortex Kaibab 15x56, Leupold Katmai 8x32, Canon 12x36 IS II, Minox HG 8.5x42 BR
Favorite scopes: TMB 80mm Apo, Swarovski ATS-80 HD, Celestron CPC 1100 GPS
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argonav
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Very nice evualation Wil and also very helpful. From this I might speculate that Steve's 10x50 Olympics should be at least a match for the Mesa if not a little better for astronomical viewing and also much more useful during daylight hours. thanks, David
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stevecoe
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Hello Wil;
Glad to hear from you. I am living in my RV and right now am in Reno, NV on my way to Washington for the Table Mountain Star Party. I would welcome a chance to compare binoculars in the future, once I am back in Arizona. Glad to see that you are making your way back into astronomy. Maybe I will see you at a SAC meeting in autumn?
Clear skies; Steve Coe
-------------------- 150mm 6" f/8 Celestron Refractor on CGEM Mount
TeleVue 102 refractor
Author "Deep Sky Observing" Springer-Verlag
Author "Nebulae and How to Observe Them" Springer
Canon Xt astrocamera with Hutech modification
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Cactilander
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Loc: Arizona, USA
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Steve,
Living in the RV sounds fun -- will need to talk with you about it. My wife and I have retirement upcoming in a few years, been thinking that wandering sounds much more appealing than staying put, particularly for astro and photo people. 
I never really left astronomy, but did take something of a tangent after getting my astronomy degree. But I am just now getting re-acquainted with Mark I Eyeball astronomy -- forgot how much fun it can be not having to reserve telescope time, weasel for supercomputer time, and crunch numbers, crunch numbers, crunch numbers.
-------------------- Wil M. / Phoenix, Arizona, USA
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Favorite binocs: Swarovski 8.5x42 EL, Vortex Kaibab 15x56, Leupold Katmai 8x32, Canon 12x36 IS II, Minox HG 8.5x42 BR
Favorite scopes: TMB 80mm Apo, Swarovski ATS-80 HD, Celestron CPC 1100 GPS
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