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Scott K
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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... new [Re: Pedestal]
      #3179055 - 06/23/09 09:17 PM

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Yes-it will eventually just run out of propane.




Thanks. That's what I thought, but it's nice to know for sure. Mainly I wanted to be sure nothing bad would happen. Wasting butane every once and a while is a mistake I can live with.


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AlienFirstClass
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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... new [Re: JerryK]
      #3179404 - 06/24/09 01:23 AM

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I helped design a West Nile management program for a municipality I used to work for. This is what I learned:
Mosquitos have about a 100ft perception range. They breed in water including rain gutters, children's toy's, tires, flower pot water trays, birdbaths, low spots in lawns. Draining sources nearby helps a lot.
Adult female mosquitos can be confused enough not to search for you by the simple technique of moving air which dilutes the CO2, heat signiture, etc eminating from you. Research at Michigan State University shows a simple 5-10mph air movement is sufficient. Two fans set an an angle can nearly form a 'wind barrier' and the breeze doesn't have to contact you if you set it up right, but one fan will work if it is directed on you. In fact they designed a deck with PVC pipes that directed a curtain of air around the edge of the deck. If you're interested, I've got the PDF file of the research paper somewhere I could send you.

Pyrethrum/pyrethrins are botanical pesticides derived from the pyrethrum daisy (Chrysanthemum cinerariaefolium) and C. cineum).Using it or it's synthetic analog sprayed in a 100ft perimeter works well too. Mosquitoes must rest and when they land on the sprayed lawn and plants, they die!
pyrethrum is usually sold at a a 6% concentrate in garden centers or organic farmers co-ops. Once you see how much it costs, you'll begin to understand why organic produce costs so much.

The synthetic version is caled, Permethrin & is sold under the following brand names:

* Repel Permanone
* Cutter Outdoorsman Deer Guard
* Sawyer Insect Repellent

It's safer than breathing Thermacell chemicals!

If you do want to wear repellent, Ben's water-based DEET skin spray won't harm optical surfaces and plastics, nor will Picaridin to my knowledge. I use the two products around the telescope.

Hope this helps!

Jerry




Yes...I would be interested in seeing that paper.

Thanks


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KD5NRH
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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... new [Re: Luigi]
      #3179519 - 06/24/09 04:10 AM

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how about extracts from the lovely tobacco plant.




Why bother with extracts? I used a good cigar to clear out dozens of mosquitoes infesting the car a couple of nights ago after an observing session. If I could find a good way to light them without bright light I'd be all set.


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christurner
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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... [Re: AlienFirstClass]
      #3196820 - 07/03/09 10:34 AM

Why not drape netting with draw strings, much like a window blind configurationthat opens with the roof and a hole for the OTA to poke through that has an elastics material surrounding the hole. With enough slack it should slew with the scope quite easily. Have I done this ? God no! Will I try it when mu Obs. is finished, absolutely!

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Nova Scotia, Canada
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Meade LX200 ACF 12"
newstar 5.1" reflector
26mm plossl meade
13mm Ethos
Kendrick Digi10 Dew System
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Mittag56
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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... new [Re: christurner]
      #3206850 - 07/08/09 07:12 PM

The wife just handed me a new OFF personal bug repeller..it has a small off chemical gizmo and a fan...12 hours of hopefull bug repelling...we will see, if the weather here in the North East ever gives me a chance..

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LXD75 Dual mount
Antares 105mm
ETX-90 as guide scope
Smallest Observatory in the State
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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... new [Re: Mittag56]
      #3207685 - 07/09/09 09:22 AM

Welcome to Cloudy Nights! Glad you chose our forums, great members here!

Let us know how your repellent works!

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Carol


AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Pentaxes; 5XW, 7XL, 10XW.
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
TV Panoptics; 22, 35

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John Fitzgerald
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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... new [Re: AlienFirstClass]
      #3209041 - 07/09/09 10:38 PM

I do not know what the factors are, but others observing near me can get covered up in mosquitoes, gnats, chiggers, whatever, and I am hardly touched. I never really thought about it much. Any MDs lurking?

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AlienFirstClass
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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... new [Re: christurner]
      #3211224 - 07/11/09 01:13 AM

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Why not drape netting with draw strings, much like a window blind configurationthat opens with the roof and a hole for the OTA to poke through that has an elastics material surrounding the hole. With enough slack it should slew with the scope quite easily. Have I done this ? God no! Will I try it when mu Obs. is finished, absolutely!




Yes...that was exactly the idea I had.

I really do not see why it would not work.


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revans
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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... new [Re: Scott K]
      #3211299 - 07/11/09 02:25 AM

You can overthink this... lately I just use a few small dabs of Deep Woods OFF... I see a few mosquitos around but nothing ever lands on me...

Rick

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Den Mother
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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... new [Re: AlienFirstClass]
      #3211702 - 07/11/09 10:03 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Why not drape netting with draw strings, much like a window blind configurationthat opens with the roof and a hole for the OTA to poke through that has an elastics material surrounding the hole. With enough slack it should slew with the scope quite easily. Have I done this ? God no! Will I try it when mu Obs. is finished, absolutely!




Yes...that was exactly the idea I had.

I really do not see why it would not work.




It would be impossible for me, with my low walls. I'm all over my Dobservatory, reading charts in one corner, getting eyepieces out of my case in another corner, etc. I'm too old to crawl around all night on my knees

Going to all this trouble would defeat the purpose of my Dobservatory, of simply walking in, removing the turn buckles, hitting a button & start observing; especially when a simple little device such as the ThermaCell does the job. I'm lazy, even bought a second ThermaCell to use while sitting on the deck, so I wouldn't have to walk a few feet down & get the other one!

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Carol


AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Pentaxes; 5XW, 7XL, 10XW.
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
TV Panoptics; 22, 35

DreamCatcher Dobservatory, #2



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roscoe
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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... new [Re: csa/montana]
      #3211773 - 07/11/09 11:05 AM

Minimizing the target area is my method. I have a hooded sweatshirt that I wear a lot, I just pull the hood up to keep 'em off my neck. I prefer not to use repellants, for fear that I'll pick up some greasy residue on my fingers and guck up an EP or something.

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Celestron/Vixen C-80 80mm f/11 on Polaris,
Sears/Towa 60mm f/15 on reworked Towa,
assorted Ultrascopics and Orthos
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John Fitzgerald
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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... new [Re: roscoe]
      #3212857 - 07/11/09 10:24 PM

I have read about how the thermacell works. It gives off a small amount of smoke. I would be hesitant to use it in my observatory, but would not advise others either way. I think it might have the same effect as any volitale liguid that "out-gasses", but likely would not be a huge factor. Any that got onto a mirror over several observing sessions could likely be removed with ethanol, collodion, or acetone.

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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... new [Re: John Fitzgerald]
      #3213381 - 07/12/09 09:13 AM

Many of us have used the ThermaCell in our observatories for over a year now, with no ill effects on the optics on our equipment. It doesn't emit "smoke", rather a small amount of vapor.

Everyone should use whatever mosquito protection they feel comfortable with, so they can enjoy the beautiful night skies. For me, it's the ThermaCell.

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Carol


AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Pentaxes; 5XW, 7XL, 10XW.
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
TV Panoptics; 22, 35

DreamCatcher Dobservatory, #2



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Carl M
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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... new [Re: csa/montana]
      #3213421 - 07/12/09 09:43 AM

I concur with Carol. Here in Vermont, they are huge and abundant. I hear in fact, it was in strong running to be our State bird.... I use a Thermacell not only for observing, but most evening events. They work wonderfully!

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Carl

JStar 12" Truss Dob w/Swayze Mirror
StellarVue SV50 "Little Rascal"
SV102ED
SV80ED(NHNG )
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AT66 (Chrome)
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Mark N
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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... new [Re: Carl M]
      #3249773 - 07/31/09 11:55 PM

I've used the Thermacell several times. Outdoors, and in friends' observatories. The question was always asked about the vapors harming mirrors. It's effective for about a 15' radius-or was it diameter? Think about how small the amount must be in each "pad" of repellent, and how long it takes to be used up. The amount given off in any time period cannot be very great. In any case, just put it a few feet away from your scope. Whatever may be harmful would be quite diluted before reaching your optics, but still effective in the average observatory-only 10-12' in diameter.

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AlienFirstClass
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Re: Mosquitoes and Observatories... new [Re: Mark N]
      #3251956 - 08/02/09 09:34 AM

FYI...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/31/health/webmd/main5202020.shtml


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