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Javier
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How high should i make my light shield new
      #3189516 - 06/29/09 06:29 PM

After reading through many of the links provided by my fellow CN'ers and pricing out the materials at Home Depot I'm ready to build my light shields. The project will consist of three or maybe four panels since I need to block out light in front of me as well as to my left and right. So... how high should I make the panels? I'm 5'5" and my light bridge is 4'3" when pointing directly up. The lights I'm trying to block is a street light that is approximatly 50' from my backyard, my neighbors garage light which is maybe 20 feet from me and a few stray lights that are about 70 feet away. I kow this is a tough question but I figured I'd ask before cutting.

The PVC comes in ten foot sections. Would I be correct in making a set of shields that are 10 feet wide by five feet high?

Thanks,

Javier


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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: Javier]
      #3189544 - 06/29/09 06:45 PM

10 foot panels are going to be a pita to move and store. I'd consider 5 foot lengths.

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Javier
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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: Pedestal]
      #3189629 - 06/29/09 07:32 PM

I was sort thinking about 5 foot sections. I have to cut the PVC, should I just use a hacksaw or is there a special blade for PVC? I never cut the stuff before.

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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: Javier]
      #3189749 - 06/29/09 08:39 PM

Have your wife go out with you TONIGHT...with a Frying pan...

Your sit/down at the scope...and direct her to lift the Pan up by the handle etc to block that particular light...

Should give you a quick answer...

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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: Bob Griffiths]
      #3189791 - 06/29/09 09:04 PM

Hmm.... wife with a frying pan in hand... This sounds like a setup to me..

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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: Javier]
      #3189833 - 06/29/09 09:20 PM

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Hmm.... wife with a frying pan in hand... This sounds like a setup to me..






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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: Javier]
      #3189912 - 06/29/09 09:59 PM

Yeah, a hacksaw is fine. There are special cutters, but for the small task, they are hardly worth the cost. One thing, be sure to buy "schedule 80" not "sch 40". The 80 has thicker wall.

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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: Javier]
      #3189936 - 06/29/09 10:13 PM

Have your wife take the frying pan to your neighbor's garage light.

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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: mikey cee]
      #3190878 - 06/30/09 12:47 PM

My light panels are 72" and I often wish I had at least 2 that were higher.

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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: Javier]
      #3191224 - 06/30/09 03:30 PM

Quote:

I was sort thinking about 5 foot sections. I have to cut the PVC, should I just use a hacksaw or is there a special blade for PVC? I never cut the stuff before.




When I built my light panels I used my miter saw, it made quick work of cutting the pipe.


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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: Jaxdialation]
      #3191401 - 06/30/09 04:51 PM Attachment (24 downloads)

I agree, John. The height of the panels is more important than the width. When I made mine, I made them 48" wide and 72" high. That way I used all the 10' of PVC and had little waste. I used a hacksaw. PVC is very easy to cut and sand (I sanded the cut edges to remove any sharp points). Before I made mine, I went outside and measured the height it would take to block the light. That's how I came up with 6' high. Here's a pic of what I ended up with.

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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: CarolG]
      #3192370 - 07/01/09 06:00 AM

I made mine 5'x6'. With three pieces of 10' 1 1/2" PVC. Four 90° elbows. Two 4-way T's.

One piece of PVC cut in half. The other two cut 6' long. The 4' sections are cut in half to act as feet for the frame.

I used a 10'x12' heavy duty tarp (brown & silver) and bungee cords for the for the covering.

I have 4 of them built. Light enoguh to drag two around at the same time. Strong enough that they can get blown around the yard without damage!

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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: BSJ]
      #3192873 - 07/01/09 12:06 PM

Thanks guys, as far as light blocking material should I go with 4mil black plastic or a tarp?

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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: Javier]
      #3193820 - 07/01/09 08:00 PM

I don't know how much wind you have there, but in Oklahoma we do have plenty of it. I chose a heavy black canvas I found at a local fabric shop. Plastic in the wind can make a lot of noise. If wind and noise are not a problem for you, I think either would do, whichever is easier for you to get.

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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: Javier]
      #3193984 - 07/01/09 09:29 PM

I went with the tarps because they're pre cut and already have grommets.

The way I have it folded and wrapped around the frame it's two layers thick. 100% light proof. Should stand up better to deep winter cold too. The bungees keep them taught so no flapping.

I should take some pictures...

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Re: How high should i make my light shield [Re: BSJ]
      #3198173 - 07/04/09 07:57 AM

I think I'm going the tarp route....

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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: Javier]
      #3201701 - 07/06/09 09:23 AM

I made my first set out of mil plastic and they are noisy in a slight breeze but to be honest it doesn't bother me. I am blocking light to the south and a street light and house light to the west and the 4 mil works fine (even in the winter with 2 or 3 feet of snow on the ground around me with the observing area cleaned off). My cloth ones are quieter and are heavier when I have them setup but look nicer and work wonderfully.

In terms of height, mine are six feet in height and four feet wide. Both types I've made have feet that come off so with the feet off they come down to around five feet and fit easily through any door. My entire frames come apart enough to where if I want to transport them to a site I can (for a star party). Take the frame apart, fold or roll the plastic or the cloth and off I go.

Good luck in making them Javier!

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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: JayinUT]
      #3201720 - 07/06/09 09:37 AM Attachment (16 downloads)

Here's a photo of my light fence. It works very well and immune to high winds. If you have a lumber mill in your neighborhood, you can buy the rough cut stuff at a much cheaper price.
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Re: How high should i make my light shield new [Re: wb9sat]
      #3206232 - 07/08/09 01:41 PM

I made my portable observatory panels 88" tall. I am 6'5" and love the added height. Having the panels taller than the scope also negated the need to flock. Contrast went way up. I love using mine. Here is a link detailing their creation.

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=telescopes&Number=3035307&fpart=&PHPSESSID=



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