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bicparker
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2,195x on M57 (& IC 1296) with 13E new
      #3232121 - 07/22/09 11:16 AM

Okay... This wasn't through my dob. A group of us were at the 82" Struve at the McDonald Observatory this past weekend. One of our first targets was the Ring (M57) and then on to IC 1296. Our planned program that evening was going to be more towards the small galaxy groups, but we wanted to start with some eye candy.

We weren't disappointed. The seeing was outstanding and the transparency at the beginning of the evening was reasonably good (unfortunately, this night wouldn't pan out later).

We started with a 35 Panoptic (~815x) and had a stunning view of the Ring. And yes, the central star was right there with direct vision. You could also easily make out the outer edge of nebulosity that is generally faint, averted vision only, or not available at all in smaller apertures. All zones of the nebula (inner, and various ranges on the ring) showed considerable structure and details.

I happened to have my 13E with me and we decided to give it a shot. This would deliver ~2,195x.

The results was a rock solid crisp view of the ring at a scale that filled close to 80% of the eyepiece. It was quite incredible and knocked us all over. You could see the details of structure, naturally. However, I think one of the more interesting things that you could also observe were the multitude of faint background stars behind the nebula. These were quite obvious and something that you don't really see except in Hubble images.

Of course, we slew over to IC 1296. This is the first time I have seen this through the Struve (this was my 6th time I have spent the evening on this scope over the past few years). I have to say that this was the most satisfying view of this galaxy I have had. The spirals were there and the core was soft, but obvious. The spirals were still a bit challenging though, even in this scope, which says more about the challenging faint surface brightness of this galaxy than anything (we were well out of range of the glow of M57 in this scope and field of view).

I will have to say that the M57 view was a great testament to both the quality of optics on that scope as well as the 13E. What a great combination!

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Bic Parker
17.5" f/5 dob
10" f/10 SCT
5" f/8 refractor
80mm f/6 refractor
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Re: 2,195x on M57 (& IC 1296) with 13E new [Re: bicparker]
      #3232133 - 07/22/09 11:23 AM

Congratulations! It sounds like the views were absolutely awsome.

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Re: 2,195x on M57 (& IC 1296) with 13E new [Re: bicparker]
      #3232316 - 07/22/09 01:15 PM

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...You could also easily make out the outer edge of nebulosity that is generally faint, averted vision only, or not available at all in smaller apertures. All zones of the nebula (inner, and various ranges on the ring) showed considerable structure and details.




Some of this is visible in the 36" and was one of those 'Wow' moments when I first pointed the newly built scope on M57.

I've considered attending one of the scope tours there as a present for my wife. Is it a good time? What would the object list look like for the various seasons?

Thanks, Steven

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palsing
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Re: 2,195x on M57 (& IC 1296) with 13E new [Re: bicparker]
      #3233295 - 07/22/09 10:33 PM

Quote:

... A group of us were at the 82" Struve at the McDonald Observatory this past weekend. One of our first targets was the Ring (M57) and then on to IC 1296...

... I will have to say that the M57 view was a great testament to both the quality of optics on that scope as well as the 13E. What a great combination!




I, too, have had time on that telescope, almost 3 years ago, and my report is here;

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/1268546/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all

You are correct in saying that this instrument is wonderful for visual use, it was better than my wildest dreams. If you (or anyone else) ever get the same opportunity, be sure to look at NGC 3242 if you have the chance, it was by far the most impressive object that I have ever seen in real-time.

I hope to be able to use it again in the future.

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Paul
25" Obsession
5.5" Newt - finder (Cometcatcher)
Hutech 22 X 100 binos w/LPS-P2 filters
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bicparker
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Re: 2,195x on M57 (& IC 1296) with 13E new [Re: Steven Aggas]
      #3233617 - 07/23/09 04:21 AM

Quote:

Quote:

...You could also easily make out the outer edge of nebulosity that is generally faint, averted vision only, or not available at all in smaller apertures. All zones of the nebula (inner, and various ranges on the ring) showed considerable structure and details.




Some of this is visible in the 36" and was one of those 'Wow' moments when I first pointed the newly built scope on M57.

I've considered attending one of the scope tours there as a present for my wife. Is it a good time? What would the object list look like for the various seasons?

Thanks, Steven



Steve,
I use a 30" at 3RF a lot plus the Yard Scope on Larry's List at TSP with Crazy Bob and (I'm only saying this so you know my frame of reference) I agree, you can get some hints of that edge stuff in those scopes. The difference here, of course, is that it is obvious to a greater level and the structural nuances are quite discrete.

Personally, I would try to get a winter night, if possible. The nights are longer (obviously) and the skies are cold and very still. Having said that, this is an extraordinarily great place to observe from most of the year (one reason the observatory is there). Texas has a state light pollution law for a 57 mile radius around the observatory and it is on top of a mountain range in the middle of a desert (thinly populated), so it is dark and the weather is generally pretty stable for astronomy. I go out there a lot to observe, just in general, and I have rarely been disappointed.

This particular group was not one of the "tours" exactly. We have done this before, but basically, we submitted the proposal and had the scope the whole night. So we came with our own list (which we submitted in advance). This was the second time we have done this (last time we had the scope the whole weekend).

Generally speaking, your object lists are going to be focused on things under 5' in size (FOV with a 13E, FYI, is 4'). When you go on one of the tours that they do (which are, typically, half a night), they go from a list of a mix of objects that include the better known (such as the Cats Eye and Stephan's Quintet plus a couple of available planets at the end) to, perhaps, lesser known but interesting objects (Hickson and Abell clusters, for instance). Also, you may look at interesting objects within objects, such as the "eggs" in the Pillars in the Eagle Nebula.

Our lists have been sort of the same thing, though most of us tend toward what are otherwise the really faint and tiny fuzzies, so they can look a lot like Larry's Lists (I love looking at Hickson like stuff, for instance). Basically, this is a 2.1 metre instrument and is meant (visually) to look at things in this category as opposed to the eye candy.

By the way, observing through this really lets you get a great notion as to the dynamic range of the eye. For example, when we were on it for the weekend over a year ago, we looked at M76 towards the end of the evening (this was in winter). I ended up sketching 14 galaxies, around this planetary, that we later found to all be not catalogued in any wavelength (I checked on Aladdin and Simbad and several other references) or in any image I could find.

As a footnote, we did look at Jupiter before we closed up. We had just received notice of the potential impact area just hours before. Unfortunately, because of the weather, we had to button up early, so it was before the strike area had made its way around to facing us.

However, the Galilean moons were disks

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Bic Parker
17.5" f/5 dob
10" f/10 SCT
5" f/8 refractor
80mm f/6 refractor
66mm f/6 refractor
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Re: 2,195x on M57 (& IC 1296) with 13E new [Re: palsing]
      #3233624 - 07/23/09 04:31 AM

Quote:

If you (or anyone else) ever get the same opportunity, be sure to look at NGC 3242 if you have the chance, it was by far the most impressive object that I have ever seen in real-time.




Paul,
I can't remember if we looked at that (the Ghost of Jupiter) through the 82" before (I think we have, though). Planetary nebulae are terrific through this instrument. They are usually an optimal size and If there is any interesting structure in them, you will see it. They transform from simple glowing balls to intertwining loops and concentric circles.

And, as another footnote, Stephan's Quintet is terrific in direct vision.

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Bic Parker
17.5" f/5 dob
10" f/10 SCT
5" f/8 refractor
80mm f/6 refractor
66mm f/6 refractor
Plus a few others out of the rotation


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palsing
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Re: 2,195x on M57 (& IC 1296) with 13E new [Re: bicparker]
      #3233947 - 07/23/09 09:54 AM

Quote:

Quote:

If you (or anyone else) ever get the same opportunity, be sure to look at NGC 3242 if you have the chance, it was by far the most impressive object that I have ever seen in real-time.




Paul,
I can't remember if we looked at that (the Ghost of Jupiter) through the 82" before...





I maintain that if you had looked at the Ghost of Jupiter through the 82" before, you would have remembered it.

That incredible image is permanently etched in my mind's eye ...

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Paul
25" Obsession
5.5" Newt - finder (Cometcatcher)
Hutech 22 X 100 binos w/LPS-P2 filters
Canon 10 X 30 IS binos



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bicparker
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Re: 2,195x on M57 (& IC 1296) with 13E [Re: palsing]
      #3236146 - 07/24/09 02:12 PM

Paul,
I know what you are saying. It is maybe sad to say, but I have seen a lot of incredible stuff through this scope over the years, though, so it is sometimes difficult to remember one against another . I do have my lists and notes from past times there and will just have to jog my memory.

I do understand the etchings in the mind's eye, though

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Bic Parker
17.5" f/5 dob
10" f/10 SCT
5" f/8 refractor
80mm f/6 refractor
66mm f/6 refractor
Plus a few others out of the rotation


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