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Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights.
      #3239575 - 07/26/09 02:43 PM

Richard Navarrete and I observed Tuesday and Wednesday nights from Deep
Sky Ranch, south of Hollister in San Benito County. Conditions both
nights were excellent. Richard was using an equatorial platform he'd
just purchased along with his 18" Obsession, I had my 18" Obsession
undriven. I was impressed with the performance of the platform, and am
convinced it allows a more relaxed observing session. I had great
success both nights, logging many new targets that were both interesting
and challenging. I did not do a star count or use an SQM, but both
seeing and transparency were excellent. We observed until dawn the
first night, and to about 2:30 the second night. My target list was
compiled from objects between RA 19:40 and 20:39:59. First night I
started in the north and worked south, next night from the south to the
north. On the blog version of this report I am including images of the
objects viewed. Aside from what I observed in my telescope, I spent a
good amount of time looking at Hickson groups in Richard's scope - I
believe we were seeing into the mid 17th magnitude. If I had to pick
out a few objects I viewed and say they were highlights, the views of
the Crescent Nebula, Sh2-101 and Sh2-100 which I refer to as a
planetary, but it isn't. I also had the opportunity to use some new
eyepieces with 82 degree fields, that performed very nicely.

Here are the targets I viewed, and my observing notes:

ARP 29 11.6'x9.9' 8.8 20 34 52 60 09 NGC 6946
Large core with two arms coming off to NE and swinging E. Southern of
the 2 arms is fatter. Dimmer arm comes off S of core and swings tightly
around to W. Large core has a gradually brighter center. Finally
noticed another long arm, from WNW and winding around straight to NE.

Abell 71 Cyg 165"x150" 14.5 20 32 23.2 47 21 04 PK
85+4.1 = PN G084.9+04.4 = Sh 2-116
7mm 18" - very dim glow, no definition at all, surrounding a mag 13.5
star with more "glow" around a mag 12.5 star on the edge. Extremely
difficult. Dim star actually appears involved in a haze.

Sh 2-115 50 2 20 34 33.0 46 52 40
12mm UHC 18" - dim linear glow with some structure running E/W of two
pair of stars to the S. Dimmer pair appears involved in nebulosity. OC
Berk 90 is obvious at E of the two pair of stars.

Sh 2-112 15 2 20 33 50.2 45 39 35
12mm UHC 18" - easy to view this Sharpless around GSC49801. Nebulosity
forms an arc through the star, running mostly N/S and arcing to the E,
forming a J with most but thinnest section to the N. Bottom of J is
most pronounced.

AGC 2319 0.973 15.4 19 20.8 43 59
7mm 18"- Viewed CGCG230-9, CGCG230-8, CGCG230-7 and CGCG230-4

Sh 2-108 180 3 20 22 34.8 40 15 15 IC 1318
30mm 18" - nebulosity with dark veins throughout over large areas around
Gamma Cygni, through into the North American Nebula. Outstanding views
throughout the entire area. Truly great view of the North American,
rivaled only by high elevation views at Mount Lassen.

Abell 69 Cyg 25"x22" 20.2 20 19 58.3 38 24 02 PK
76+1.1 = PN G076.3+01.1
7mm 18" - perhaps at most the southern arc of this planetary is visible,
very elusive.

Sh 2-105 18 3 20 12 02.4 38 20 59 N6888 =
Crescent Nebula
12mm 18" UHC - spectacular view, wispy nebula with blue glow and blue
stars. Internal knots inside western edge, northern and eastern edge
very thick and distinct. Mottling throughout. Star embedded in
northeastern wisp is very reminiscent of Veil Nebula's Witches Broom.

Sh 2-106 3 3 20 27 26.9 37 23 49
12mm 18' UHC - amorphous glow involved with dark veins interspersed in
distinct star field just NNW of SAO 70038. Subtle, but there.

Sh 2-104 7 2 20 17 44.6 36 44 40
12mm 18" UHC - faint but distinct even nebulosity surrounding stars of
Dolidze 4, elongated E/W, with a "Pac-Man" type notch taken out of the
NW edge.

Sh 2-101 20 2 19 59 56.8 35 17 27
12mm 18" NPB - reminiscent of Crescent, but dimmer. Two bright stars
embedded in W end of nebula. Brightest portion is to N and E of bright
stars, Another bright section runs E of the S star of the pair. More
nebulosity is to th S and W of the pair of stars, but much more subtle.
This is a very good target.

Sh 2-100 4 3 20 01 50.6 33 30 41 N6857
7mm 18" NPB - planetary appears almost triangular, nearly as distinct
without the filter. Elongated slightly NW/SE. But appears to have
somewhat triangular shape, with a harder edge running N/S. Star
embedded in nebula, but seems offset to the N, which may be an illusion
due to a dim northern edge of the shell.

Sh 2-077 8 1 19 48 16.6 01 08 52
12mm 18" - very faint and tenuous nebulosity, very indistinct, around a
few stars and perhaps between. Nothing certain.

Abell 70 Aql 45"x40" 14.7 20 31 33.2 -07 05 17 PK
38-25.1 = PN G38.1-25.4
12mm 18" - entire disk shows without filter but NE section is clearly
brighter. 7mm shows annularity and galaxy visible through NE edge of
nebula.

Palomar 11 10.0' 17.3 19 45 14 -08 00 26
12mm 18" - obvious granular appearance and bracketed by 2 concave chains
of 4 = mag stars each running N/S with a bright star nearby to the N.

NGC 6822 15.5'x13.5' 8.8 19 45 00 -14 48 NGC
6822 19 45.0 -14 48 15.5x13.5 8.8
12mm 18" - elongated NE/SW and embedded in stars, there is a dark rift
or two that run along the major axis and several HII regions embedded,
most noticeably the two at the NE end of the object. Using an NPB
filter shows the entire NE portion of the galaxy as a triangle glowing
in HII.

SagDIG 3.2'x1.5' 15.0 19 30 00 -17 41 00 SagDIG
19 30.0 -17 41 3.2x1.5 15
7mm 18" - oval glow between parallelogram of stars, elongated NW/SE and
appearing almost annular - no doubt it is there.

Abell 66 Sgr 295"x241" 19 57 31.5 -21 36 46 PK
19-23.1 = PN G019.8-23.7
12mm 18" - Pair of stars equal mag nearby to NNE. Planetary is large
and perhaps elongated slightly N/S with slight annularity. Dim stars
appear embedded in E edge - perhaps 2. Very faint, although
occasionally the central area appears to brighten and negate annular
feeling.

Sh 2-052 2 2 19 47 46.3 -23 05 15
See next entry - how many types of catalogs is this in!

Abell 65 Sgr 134"x34" 13.8 19 46 33.8 -23 08 12 PK
17-21.1 = UGCA 415 = MCG -04-46-001 = PN G017.3-21.9 = PGC 63654
12mm 18" - visible without filter, but UHC helps. Round and mostly even
brightness, but SW edge seems brighter than rest of disk. Chain of 4
dim stars cup N edge, and 3 dim stars extend W from S edge, with E star
touching disk.

Hickson 086D 0.3x0.2 14.7 19 51 51.9 -30 48 30
63749
7mm 18" not observed, or if so a very tight split with Hickson 86B
Hickson 086B 0.5x0.4 13.8 19 51 59.0 -30 48 57
63748
7mm 18" observed
ESO 461-007 1.2'.7' 13.3 19 52 06 -30 49 00
7mm 18" observed, aka Hickson 86A
Hickson 086A 1.2x0.7 13.3 19 52 08.7 -30 49 30
63753
7mm 18" observed.
Hickson 086C 0.4x0.3 14.9 19 51 57.3 -30 51 23
63752
7mm 18" observed.

Terzan 8 3.5' 12.4 19 41 45 -34 00 01
12mm 18" - forms an almost equilateral triangle with GSC 7434:401 and
GSC 7434:31, but feeling is I'm seeing the core as it is relatively
small and not all that difficult.

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: LumpyDarkness]
      #3240350 - 07/26/09 10:02 PM

Quote:

Mark wrote;

Sh 2-100 4 3 20 01 50.6 33 30 41 N6857

7mm 18" NPB - planetary appears almost triangular, nearly as distinct without the filter. Elongated slightly NW/SE. But appears to have somewhat triangular shape, with a harder edge running N/S. Star embedded in nebula, but seems offset to the N, which may be an illusion due to a dim northern edge of the shell.




Hi Mark,

Although some sources still say it is, NGC 6857 is not a PN, but rather just the brighter part of Sh 2-100. Also, there are two other mis-identified PN's within 17 arc-minutes of this location, Sh 2-99 and K 3-50.

Steve Gottlieb's NGC/IC notes are my authority, with back-up from Brian Skiff in an Amastro post a while ago. In that same thread, Dave Riddle says "This area probably holds some kind of record for misidentified PN within a small field -- all three are clustered within ~17'"

See my 'library doc' for NGC 6857 here, scroll down a little;

http://www.pnalsing.com/cygnus

In the photo in this doc, the partial circle shown is 1/2 degree in diameter, for reference of scale.

By the way, this web page contains all of my library docs, with more being added as I generate them. They offer objects of all difficulties, all the way from simple pleasing asterisms up to some of the toughest stinkers ever conceived ;>)

Note that I in no way claim to have seen all of these guys, that's why I made the library to begin with...

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: LumpyDarkness]
      #3240524 - 07/27/09 12:07 AM

Totally amazing! Now that is observing!

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: Patricko]
      #3241115 - 07/27/09 12:08 PM

Quote:

Totally amazing! Now that is observing!




Thanks, Patrick. I'm fortunate to have access to very good observing sites, outstanding mentors, and encouraging friends. It really becomes a lot of fun...

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: LumpyDarkness]
      #3241196 - 07/27/09 12:52 PM

Thats some excellent observing right there! You were indeed going pretty deep. Congrats on the success of two great nights.

I'd definitely be interested in reading more about nights like this!

Clear Skies to All!

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: LumpyDarkness]
      #3241436 - 07/27/09 03:44 PM

Hi Mark,

thanks for the excellent report, especially the blog version which I like more than just the text in CN. Especially sh 106 I found pretty inrteresting. Actually I did not know there are more bipolar star formation objects (to be visually observable) like this, I only knew NGC 2261 till now. I have to go for sh 106 next time...

Peter

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: PeterSurma]
      #3241929 - 07/27/09 08:09 PM

There's another interesting target to be hunted down just near Sh2-101. Check it out:

http://www.astrofoto.ca/john/sh2-101-106.htm

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: LumpyDarkness]
      #3244652 - 07/29/09 11:30 AM

Hi Mark,

yeah Cyg X-1 with 9mag sounds pretty feasible + interesting ! Thanks for this hint, too ! Adds to my loooong obs list

Peter

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: LumpyDarkness]
      #3244850 - 07/29/09 01:25 PM

Quote:

There's another interesting target to be hunted down just near Sh2-101. Check it out:

http://www.astrofoto.ca/john/sh2-101-106.htm




There is yet another cool object near Sh 2-101 that can be seen even with small telescopes, even if you can't see the nebula itself. Go to;

http://sites.google.com/a/pnalsing.com/www/cygnus

... and scroll down and open Sh 2-101, a doc where you will find a few details about the suspected trapezium system Ambartsumian 67... sorry about the really skewed levels in the photo, I got carried away, Sh 2-101 doesn't really look quite that bright in real-time ;>)

Enjoy...

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: palsing]
      #3244896 - 07/29/09 01:47 PM

Quote:


Go to;

http://sites.google.com/a/pnalsing.com/www/cygnus






Just to look at the repository of targets that Paul's put on-line. Awe-some Paul! Thanks for doing this...

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: LumpyDarkness]
      #3244991 - 07/29/09 02:38 PM

Quote:

Quote:


Go to;

http://sites.google.com/a/pnalsing.com/www/cygnus






Just to look at the repository of targets that Paul's put on-line. Awe-some Paul! Thanks for doing this...




My pleasure, Mark, I think just about everyone can find something here to interest them, or maybe something they haven't seen before.

These have been created over many years, so some are better than others, and there are more to come, this is what I do when sitting in front of the TV...

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: palsing]
      #3245238 - 07/29/09 05:23 PM

Yes I've been browsing Paul's collection already a bit. Great work, Paul !
Peter

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: LumpyDarkness]
      #3251788 - 08/02/09 05:44 AM

Hi Mark and Paul,
if you're after interesting stuff around Sh 101, you should also take a look at this Wolf Rayet Shell (it's WR134 according to Matthias Kronberger, 20 09 36 +36 14 00). I had found this one to be very strong in OIII on narrwow band images of JP Metsavainio here

Its the blue shell between the Crescent and SH 101 (a bit lower).

It was fairly easy to see in my 22" with OIII filter as a shell wich was open toward W. There is another bright patch toward S, which is also on JPM's image.

Mark, great that you could see Sh106. I tried this many times with UHC or H beta, but never could see this one, despite it is bright in H alpha. I have to try this again.

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: reiner]
      #3252663 - 08/02/09 04:54 PM

Quote:

Hi Mark and Paul,
if you're after interesting stuff around Sh 101, you should also take a look at this Wolf Rayet Shell (it's WR134 according to Matthias Kronberger, 20 09 36 +36 14 00)...




Hi Reiner, and thanks for this observing suggestion. I made an observing doc for this guy, see;

http://sites.google.com/a/pnalsing.com/www/cygnus

As can be seen, it is close to both NGC 6871 and NGC 6883, so nailing down the exact location should be pretty easy.

Any more off-the-beaten-path suggestions? I'm always on the hunt for obscure objects...

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: reiner]
      #3252902 - 08/02/09 07:21 PM

Very detailed report - lots of fun to read. Thanks for taking the time to post.

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: reiner]
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Quote:

Hi Mark and Paul,
if you're after interesting stuff around Sh 101, you should also take a look at this Wolf Rayet Shell (it's WR134 according to Matthias Kronberger, 20 09 36 +36 14 00). I had found this one to be very strong in OIII on narrwow band images of JP Metsavainio here

Its the blue shell between the Crescent and SH 101 (a bit lower).

It was fairly easy to see in my 22" with OIII filter as a shell wich was open toward W. There is another bright patch toward S, which is also on JPM's image.




Thanks for mentioning this obscure object, Reiner! In fact, I couldn't find a catalogue name for the shell. In SIMBAD it's just listed as "BUBBLE around HD 191765". Interestingly, although the western portion of the shell appears to be centered on HD 191765 (WR 134), a recent study concludes the bubble is actually associated with HD 192103 (WR 135). An abstract of the article is here. So, I suppose it should be called the WR 135 Nebula. In any case, I just added it to my observing list, also.

On the DSS image below, the shell appears open to the east. Is this the same object you're describing?

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: palsing]
      #3253448 - 08/03/09 03:05 PM

Quote:

Any more off-the-beaten-path suggestions? I'm always on the hunt for obscure objects...




Well, you might be interested in an LBV in M31: AE And
Located at
RA 00h43m02s
Dec +41°49'12"
Some background: http://www.peripatus.gen.nz/Astronomy/LumBluVar.html
Map made from Guide:
http://eyes4skies.de/Internet/Astro/ImagePool/AE_And.jpg
mv = 15.1 - 17.6m
I saw it last year in august pretty well with 20". Was a great experience to me ...

Another guy in M31 is 41-3654, one of the v-brightest stars in M31: RA = 00 45 08.00, DEC = +41 37 36.3
mv = 16.47mag
According to Herrero et al. 1994 this is definitely an A2 Ia supergiant in Andromeda (and not a foreground star).
Dss-Image with ID:
http://eyes4skies.de/Internet/Astro/ImagePool/dss_m31_41-3654_15x15.jpg
(15x15arcmin field)


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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: palsing]
      #3255091 - 08/05/09 06:31 AM

Paul,

your collection of observing material is amazing! There's a lot of inspiration for lesser known and obscure stuff

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: sgottlieb]
      #3255102 - 08/05/09 06:42 AM

Hi Steve,

it should be same object. I may have confused the directions as I recalled it from my memory only (and it's a few months ago). Also JPM's image, which I used to locate the shell, shows obviously an opening to the E. I will need to check my observing report.

Matthias described this object as close to WR134, probably not implying that WR134 is the progenitor of the shell. Btw, his observing report from last year is here (though in German only).

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Re: Observing report: Two Nights with New Sights. new [Re: LumpyDarkness]
      #3257511 - 08/06/09 11:41 AM

Hi, Mark,
Fine report, much appreciated.

You might mention in your reports that your blog contains the report, accompanied by photos of each object, which really bring the report to life.

Out here in Ohio, rain. My new 16 inch is working fine during the brief clear interludes.

Best regards,

Bill


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