NGC007
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Read in one of my many books (too many according to my wife) that my OIII filter is a must for the veil nebula. So last night before it got quite dark (only the bright stars were out) I stuck the OIII in my 2" UWAN 28mm and then into the 11" SCT and wow! The field of view was a little under 0.9 degrees and I could hardly believe how much the nebula stood out! First time I ever looked at it and I was very impressed. Lots of twisting texture all along. I slow-mowed the scope slowly all along it and despite the low bright first quarter Moon it stood out well. I think the scopes GOTO took me to the eastern segment of the nebula, not sure but I will check later. Speaking of later I went back out at around midnight but misty high clouds appeared and that was that. Can't wait till next time when I will use the focal reducer.
Clem
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Can't wait till next time when I will use the focal reducer.
Good idea! 
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David Knisely
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I recall one night with the full moon in the sky when I just got a little silly with my 10 inch Newtonian. Just for fun, I put the Lumicon OIII filter in my scope at 47x and put it on the large arc (NGC 6992) of the Veil. I had to put my head under a black cloth, but low and behold, I could still just see the dim ghostly arc of the Veil! Of course, the object is much better on a dark night with the filter, but it was nice to know that I could still catch it when the moon is up (well, just barely). Clear skies to you.
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F.Meiresonne
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Saw it however difficult and only partly in the Provence, France without OIII in my 8 inch.
This year with OIII in my 18" when it was not even dark yet...
With the filter this year it was unbelievable...more parts seen from wich i did not know they were there...
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Freddy Meiresonne
Obsession 18 inch #1638
Orion Optics 8 inch F/4.5 -1/8 wave optics -Vixen GP-E
20x80 Helios Stellar Binos
15x70 TS Marine (=Obie Ultra)
10x60 Helios Quantum 4(= Obie Mariner)
10x50 Helios Nature sport plus
8x40 Helios Nature sport plus
Eyepieces in use :Pan 35,24,19, N13T6, Pentax 10 XW, N9T6, Ultrascopic 7.5, TV2, baader ortho 12.5 and 9 mm
Edited by F.Meiresonne (08/31/09 06:39 PM)
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7331Peg
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I caught the larger segment of the Veil Nebula last year without an OIII filter in a TV102 and a 20mm Nagler. As nice as that was, this year I've got an OIII filter, so I used it about a week ago and was totally amazed at the difference. The nebulosity surrounding 52 Cygni is really something to see - long, stretched out, thin, and wispy - really a beautiful sight. I also was able to see Pickering's wedge for the first time. In the larger segment of the Veil, I could see quite a bit of structure and detail. Again, an amazing sight.
I've read many times that small aperture scopes don't transmit enough light for an OIII to work, but I've found that's not the case at all. This year I've used 85 and 90mm refractors with very good results on the Veil, with the 20mm Nagler and a 13mm Ethos, but the best view without a doubt was with the six inch Antares.
John
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Dean Norris
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I saw the Veil Nebulae without a filter at Lake Tahoe 6,250 ft elevation a week and a half ago at my brother's house. This was the first time I saw this object in my 10" newt and was impressed with it's beauty. I saw the portion passing through 52 Cygni as well as the larger strand. I would love to view it with the filter mentioned. Next new moon I will try to view it here in Santa Cruz but I don't expect much. The Veil Nebulae is my favorite NGC object now. Dean
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Hrundi
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I saw the Veil nebula this year in a green zone. 12" dob, at x120 the segment on the bright stars side was visible rather easily, and the bright large arc on the opposite side was obvious and direct vision, with some detail at x50.
Pickering's triangle wasn't visible though, but possibly would have been had I starhopped better.
The conditions were not only green quality skies and massive amounts of dew, but also the sky conditions had probably worsened a lot, since there were new streetlights out everywhere, and even though I had built shades, I got glared occasionally.
Moral of this story, the veil doesn't require any filtration nor pristine skies to be visible.
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David Knisely
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I saw the Veil nebula this year in a green zone. 12" dob, at x120 the segment on the bright stars side was visible rather easily, and the bright large arc on the opposite side was obvious and direct vision, with some detail at x50.
Pickering's triangle wasn't visible though, but possibly would have been had I starhopped better.
The conditions were not only green quality skies and massive amounts of dew, but also the sky conditions had probably worsened a lot, since there were new streetlights out everywhere, and even though I had built shades, I got glared occasionally.
Moral of this story, the veil doesn't require any filtration nor pristine skies to be visible.
No, but an OIII filter can *really* help make it a lot easier to see. I have seen the main arc (NGC 6992) with a pair of unfiltered 10x50 binoculars from a modestly dark site (ZLM 6.5 or so). However, the OIII filter makes both strands stand out really well. Clear skies to you.
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David W. Knisely
Hyde Memorial Observatory
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Edited by David Knisely (08/31/09 06:05 PM)
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F.Meiresonne
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Sometimes it is even invisible but becomes visible with OIII.
I have this in my 8 inch at home
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Freddy Meiresonne
Obsession 18 inch #1638
Orion Optics 8 inch F/4.5 -1/8 wave optics -Vixen GP-E
20x80 Helios Stellar Binos
15x70 TS Marine (=Obie Ultra)
10x60 Helios Quantum 4(= Obie Mariner)
10x50 Helios Nature sport plus
8x40 Helios Nature sport plus
Eyepieces in use :Pan 35,24,19, N13T6, Pentax 10 XW, N9T6, Ultrascopic 7.5, TV2, baader ortho 12.5 and 9 mm
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scopethis
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My notes show that I used both a narrowband and OIII filter to observe the Veil. The OIII was a far superior view.
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gonnessia
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I have observed the Veil nebula with five different instruments, ranging from a C11 with UHC-filter (it was specacular, even from the well-illuminated Belgium) up to a 46 cm Dobson and 52 cm f5.3 in the south of France.
A 20 cm scope really is too small to get the 'waaaww'-feeling. The C11 on the contrary already gave way more pleasure. Just get out there and enjoy !!
For those who are having doubts, attachement to give you an idea of what to expect.
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David Knisely
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I have observed the Veil nebula with five different instruments, ranging from a C11 with UHC-filter (it was specacular, even from the well-illuminated Belgium) up to a 46 cm Dobson and 52 cm f5.3 in the south of France.
A 20 cm scope really is too small to get the 'waaaww'-feeling. The C11 on the contrary already gave way more pleasure. Just get out there and enjoy !!
For those who are having doubts, attachement to give you an idea of what to expect.
Well, I can't really agree that a 20cm scope is too small to get that "wow" effect. I have seen dramatic views with the OIII filter on an old six inch (15cm) f/8 Newtonian (an RV-6 from the 1960's), where much of the fine filamentary detail was visible. Without the filter in that same scope, all one could see was a vague dim brightening arcing across the field, so the filter really made the difference. One of the better views of the Veil with the OIII came a few weeks ago in Lamb0's 8 inch f/5 using a 20mm Nagler (1.5 degree true field of view at 51x). Then, it was just a quick move to go from one arc to the other. Of course, larger apertures show more (try a 20 inch if you want to get blown away), but even some relatively modest scopes can still show a lot in the Veil *if* one uses the OIII filter. Clear skies to you.
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F.Meiresonne
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Neither can i. Last year in the Provence in my 8 inch the Veil was just stunning.
This year even better but an 8 inch with OIII surely gives a wow.
Also the OIII is THE filter to use on the Veil and gives better views then an UHC filter.
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Freddy Meiresonne
Obsession 18 inch #1638
Orion Optics 8 inch F/4.5 -1/8 wave optics -Vixen GP-E
20x80 Helios Stellar Binos
15x70 TS Marine (=Obie Ultra)
10x60 Helios Quantum 4(= Obie Mariner)
10x50 Helios Nature sport plus
8x40 Helios Nature sport plus
Eyepieces in use :Pan 35,24,19, N13T6, Pentax 10 XW, N9T6, Ultrascopic 7.5, TV2, baader ortho 12.5 and 9 mm
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7331Peg
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Well I certainly don't want to make the claim that the view in a 90mm refractor - on a good night of transparency, and with an OIII filter - will match that of an eight inch or larger, BUT - it can still blow you right out of your observing chair!  
John in Oregon
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Jim Curry
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"A 20 cm scope really is too small to get the 'waaaww'-feeling."
Wellll, I don't know about that. When skies are clear and dark I can easily see the e/w and pickering w/o filter. The OIII really makes things pop.
Jim
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gonnessia
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Glad to read that other people could enjoy the nebula with smaller aperture scopes. Congrats. I'll try it as a challenge, but from a darker place.
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F.Meiresonne
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We are doomed in Belgium. But in darker places the veil really stands out well.
I observe in Zeeland, where it is pretty dark (just over the Belgian border) and when the skies are clear it's a nice place.
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Freddy Meiresonne
Obsession 18 inch #1638
Orion Optics 8 inch F/4.5 -1/8 wave optics -Vixen GP-E
20x80 Helios Stellar Binos
15x70 TS Marine (=Obie Ultra)
10x60 Helios Quantum 4(= Obie Mariner)
10x50 Helios Nature sport plus
8x40 Helios Nature sport plus
Eyepieces in use :Pan 35,24,19, N13T6, Pentax 10 XW, N9T6, Ultrascopic 7.5, TV2, baader ortho 12.5 and 9 mm
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GlennLeDrew
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From our club's observatory, which is only a 45 minute drive from downtown Ottawa, I can see the full Veil (that is, including Pickering's Wisp) with my 60mm RA bino at 9X and using UHC filters. It's eye-popping with the filtered 13mm Ethos eyepieces, delivering 21X and a nicely-framing 4.7 degree field.
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NGC007
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I think the one thing we all agree on is that an OIII filter rocks no matter what scope you use.
Clem
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Earthwin Power/Filter Slide
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Canon 10 x 42L image stabilised binoculars
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Dain
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I agree, the O-III really makes this object pop like no tomorrow. Definitely more so then even with the UHC filter. I got to admit though, I have a field day teasing out as much detail as I can on objects like this without a filter on. I love the challenge.
Clear Skies to you All!
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Dain
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