edwincjones
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We have a least three new 150mm binoculars hitting the market-UO, APM, Garrett, ? others.
Are these basically all the same?
What are the differences?
edj
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KBK
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Just an observation, but..if they are just hitting the market..then... nobody knows -- yet.
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RobertPL
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Yeah, I've been asking in another thread about the 100mm 45 degree binos APM is also coming out with. But somebody has to take the plunge first...
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Rich V.
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The APM and Garrett both appear to be the United Optics BA 6 series. If you look at the photos the external housings look the same right down to the IPD scale on the prism turrets. UO makes the BA 6 in both 45° and 90° models.
They are built to different specs for each dealer it seems; Garrett claims doublet objectives while APM claims to use a triplet.
There have been reports on these from a couple of CN members- Andresin150 and Watchever; we need more members to plunk down the $4k and report back.
Remember the 6 page thread in May?- APM America 150BT/45 coming soon
Markus Ludes of APM said: "The chinese I have tested yet at daytime only, night time testing follow next week". What happened to his evaluation of these under the stars? I don't recall reading anything. You'd think he'd be gushing all over the place about these; it makes me wonder as months have passed. Did I miss something? 
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Gordon Rayner
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When/where can we see cross sections, such as Miyauchi showed in its Tenmon Guide ads, and Tenmon Guide showed in its in-depth expositions and analyses,often including glass types and even radii and ZEMAX or OSLO , etc. level analyses, far above the often superficial treatment,non-quantitative, by Sky and Telescope in recent years, and light years above the pretty picture treatment in Astronomy?
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Andresin150
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sorry, I cant place my opinions on this 150mm since I'm considered now a vendor (I decided to start a very small business here in Colombia when imported these giants and bought some others also).
I think I can tell you this: As I know, the 150mm are built to the same specs only by UO, and are triplets. For the price and expectations for a 150mm binoculars, they don't offer different coatings but their premium ones.
What may be different are the accessories; for example, you can ask them with different types of oculars, adapters for 1 1/4" oculars, with or without tripod and fork mount, and of course, different colors and branding.
As for the fork mount, I have to say that I would have preferred the longer one that appears with the newer 90º version, because the shorter one that came with mine doesn't allow to look at the zenith, in fact, it goes up only 70º aprox., before the binoculars body stops against it. I think I'll be cutting and prolonging it soon.
Comparisons with Fujinons by me are not allowed here, but lets say that I'm in the quest of finding a "used in perfect conditions" 40x150ED, that probably may not be beat in quality.
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edwincjones
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Andresin150,
Thank you for the reply.
I am very happy with my fuji 25x150mts-except for cost and weight,
and am not looking for a replacement;
but I am interested in the competetion,
and I am very happy that others will be joining me in the 150mm ranks.
I doubt that these will beat my fujis, YET; but expect in time that they will.
edj
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Gordon Rayner
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I am not aware of anyone else in Colombia who has contributed to this forum. It seems likely that you are probably the only Colombian who reads it regularly . Had you not told us about your importation of those, nobody would know.
It is unfortunate that you have chosen to disqualify yourself from giving value and comparative performance reports at this time when many ears are cocked for credible, unbiased information.
Perhaps you have a colleague whose judgment you trust, who could make appropriate comparisons and report, in Spanish if convenient or necessary, after joining the group. The hypothetical reporter might call him/herself El Dorado or La Dorada, giving geographic coordinates which the interested might note.
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EdZ
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It is unfortunate that you have chosen to disqualify yourself
Andresin did not choose to disqualify himself. He is abiding by the rules of vendor engagement on Cloudy Nights.
It is a requirement of Cloudy Nights forums that vendors are restricted in their comments such that vendors may reply to specific questions asked about the products they sell, however, to eliminate the potential appearance that vendors may be pushing product on the general forums, vendors may not offer unsolicited comments about the products they sell.
Vendors may post about the products they offer for sale in the Vendor Forum.
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Andresin150
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I'm really pleased when I read posts from newcomers to this forum and say that after looking for binoculars information, this place seems to be the best of all in every aspect.
Vendor rules and other rules are the ones that help keep this place like that, because among other qualities, they help to preserve objectivity.
Passing to another subject related to this giants, its really a shame to know that Fujinon is not producing their 150mm ED line anymore....  (read it from bigbinoculars some weeks ago...)
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edwincjones
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"...it really is a shame to........"
yes it is
Tak made one great binocular and stopped
Miyauchi went out of business
Fuji seems to be cutting back, or at least resting on their laurels
The other premium binoculars makes are limited to birding, mostly
Anyone know the status of Nikon and their 20x120s?
Clearly not much money to be made for large astrobinoculars-we should be thankful to China that they are stepping up to the plate.
edj
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alessandro71
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Clearly not much money to be made for large astrobinoculars
I think that the quotation above explain it all.
I believe that Tak, Miya, Fuji and other finest brand have decided to back out of making large binoculars because there is little or no demand for this kind of binos.
Making 150mm binos dosen't seem to be a very profitable business.
I've been told that in Italy only 3 people have bought the new 150mm model made from UO.
Sixty million people but only 3 binos sold, and no further request; the vendor obviously stopped the import.
If this scenario is common around the world, it would not be a surprise if producers focused their means on something else.
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watchever
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Just for you information, I have the long version of fork with my 150mm UO binos and it is possible to look at zenith, I don't say it is the most confortable position but it is possible.
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watchever
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If some people here on this forum want me to make some optical test on this binos (double stars, ...), I can do it, just ask me which one you want me to do and I will with pleasure, and I will give you objectively the result.
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Ian Robinson
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Andresin150 , I may not be in the market for 6" binos anytime soon , got better things to spend my money on.
That said , could you post some details on the ones you are importing cf better known more respected brands of equivalent size ?
Edited by Ian Robinson (09/10/09 05:25 AM)
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edwincjones
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Quote:
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Clearly not much money to be made for large astrobinoculars
I think that the quotation above explain it all.
I believe that Tak, Miya, Fuji and other finest brand have decided to back out of making large binoculars because there is little or no demand for this kind of binos.
Making 150mm binos dosen't seem to be a very profitable business.
I've been told that in Italy only 3 people have bought the new 150mm model made from UO.
Sixty million people but only 3 binos sold, and no further request; the vendor obviously stopped the import.
If this scenario is common around the world, it would not be a surprise if producers focused their means on something else.
I have heard an estimate of maybe 500 fuji 150mm binocs sold in the US,
not counting military
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alessandro71
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500 binos sold seems to be a good figure; so, there should be a niche for giant binos on the market, at least in US.
Maybe manufacturers are just waiting the end of these rainy days.
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Luigi
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Contrary to what common sense might suggest, the FOV of bins (and telescopes) is principally determined by the magnification and what goes on near the EP end, not diameter of the objective. Wider FOV requires larger prisms and more complicated EPs. Sometimes you'll see that bins of a given power in a given series will have wider TFOVs for the ones with smaller objectives (e.g. 8x32 compared to 8x42). This can happen because the smaller diameter objectives reduce the size of the light cone in front of the EPs and produce somewhat lower edge of field aberration.
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Andresin150
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Yes Luigi, but light gathering can only be increased with apperture, and you know that there is a lot to do with large glass regardless of magnification.
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25x150 MT
30-50x120's
Ultra 15x70's
GOTO NEX Planetarium
1 Macaw, 1 Toucan, 1 parrot and many other little ones...
And the nicest greenhouse!
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Gordon Rayner
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Can you share with us the source of that estimate? What about Panama? Or Canary Islands? Or Taiwan? Or Korea? Or other places where big seiners get their nets? Of course, the Japanese seiners get theirs in Japan. Are there any Chinese seiners? What about Israel or Iran or Iraq, for aircraft identification (where inclined view is an advantage), as well as straight view border recon? What about the Border Patrol, on the Mexican border with the U.S. ? Border patrol to me, in the mountains, after I am dark adapted, with his light aimed at me:" Are you sure that you are not searching(with those huge binoculars) for people you expect to guide or pick up?". But that is mostly nighttime incursion, so night vision electronics are indicated. Police surveillance? Illegal drug traffickers and growers for security and recon? Scenic view residences? Lifeguards? Fixed location birdwatching ( Condor watch? I did some of that with 150mm. right angle, between astro exhibitions in 1984, but no sales resulted among the condor watchers. Perhaps because they spent too much time chasing condors, instead of working.) But there are many well-heeled birdwatchers who travel the globe .
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