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Jimmy2K63
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DSLR imaging with a telephoto
      #3345358 - 09/20/09 06:34 PM

Does anyone use a telephoto lens to take astrophotos? I've been told that prime lenses are much better but I'd like to see some images taken with tele's just to see what they are capable of.

Thanks
James

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Re: DSLR imaging with a telephoto new [Re: Jimmy2K63]
      #3345379 - 09/20/09 06:53 PM Attachment (31 downloads)

This is one of my first goes at AP from last year with the Canon 400mm 5.6 @ 5.6 90 1 minute subs from light polluted skies with no filters, unguided on the EQ6,,,,Paul.

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Re: DSLR imaging with a telephoto new [Re: Jimmy2K63]
      #3345437 - 09/20/09 07:31 PM

Here are some with the canon 200 mm L prime lens.







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Vixen Sphinx SXW
Meade sn6
Canon EF 200mm f/2.8L II USM Lens
Hutech 1000d
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ST8300c on order
DSI PRO II



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Re: DSLR imaging with a telephoto new [Re: justabob]
      #3345533 - 09/20/09 08:31 PM Attachment (33 downloads)


Here's my favorite shot I've taken with Canon 200mm f2.8L lens and an unmodified Canon 40D camera. I've had good results with the 50mm f1.4 (above f4.0 works best), 100mm f2.8, 200mm f2.8L.

Gotta love the wide field images and it's good practice getting the hardware and software to work together at a forgiving short focal length.

Other images at http://www.astrophotogallery.org/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/166

Mark

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Canon 40D / 50mm f1.4 / 100mm f2.8 macro / 28-135 f/3.5-5.6 / 200mm f2.8L
http://www.astrophotogallery.org/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/166


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Re: DSLR imaging with a telephoto new [Re: Doubleglaze]
      #3345623 - 09/20/09 09:22 PM

I think when he said "telephoto", he should have said "zoom" lens.

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Re: DSLR imaging with a telephoto new [Re: zAmbonii]
      #3345883 - 09/20/09 11:37 PM

Ah good point - reading comprehension -1 for me.

I went with primes to get better glass for both day time and night use. Havent been disappointed in either realm. I have the stock 28-135mm zoom but I haven't used it past the first few days as the other lenses serve me well.

I've seen some very nice shots with zoom lenses but unless you spent serious dollars I think the primes would be better. Also with a variable focal length its hard to compare images and image scale from one shot to the next. One more thing for me to think about when shooting, which is generally a recipe for making a mess.

For example the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS and EF 100-400mm f4.5-5.6L both look like fine telephoto zooms, but as I said serious dollars.

That said, I think anyone taking any astro photo with any type of lens or imaging setup is positive step and a pleasure to accomplish, even my very first hand held 1 second shot of Orion was a blast to see the results emerge. I've only been imaging for 9 months or so and each shot is an experiment and a culmination of a lifetimes wondering if I'd like doing it - the answer is yes.

So I'd say - try it out, see if you like it and also to define the lens limitations. Lots of other things to think about, like what mount to use for tracking. Then start an upgrade plan, there's always one more piece of gear to desire so I know I'll never be done with upgrading and changing things around.

Mark


EDIT: James, I just read your blog, I see where you're at now. I was in the same spot last year. I had a nice OTA and mount in the Vixen stuff, but no camera or lenses. I wanted to try astrophotography but instead of learning with the Vixen at 3000mm focal length, I figured using a camera and lens in piggy back would be a smarter way to start.

I got the Canon 40D and the 100mm prime macro as I use it for close shots for work a lot. Once I stuck the lens on my mount in piggy back and saw the results, I got the 50mm, and looked for a 200mm which I got a couple of months later. Taking constellation photos is great fun, I learn a lot each time I do one as I use the image to identify targets that stand out - reading about them and imaging them are two different things and the knowledge sticks a lot faster if its your own image.

This gave me a path to learn the nuts of bolts of how everything works together and figure out what bias / darks / flats / tracking / processing / and a ton of other stuff is all about. Now I feel like I understand what I;m doing well enough to plan for the future.



Edited by Doubleglaze (09/20/09 11:57 PM)


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Re: DSLR imaging with a telephoto new [Re: paul11]
      #3347232 - 09/21/09 04:24 PM

Quote:

This is one of my first goes at AP from last year with the Canon 400mm 5.6 @ 5.6 90 1 minute subs from light polluted skies with no filters, unguided on the EQ6,,,,Paul.




Unguided???? How so? I get star trails at 15 secs with a Digital camera at 10x zoom.

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Re: DSLR imaging with a telephoto new [Re: RickShelton]
      #3347427 - 09/21/09 06:09 PM

Thanks for the information guys, it's really helpful to see firsthand the results with various combinations of lenses and what can actually be achieved. I am considering ordering the camera body only and buying one prime lens for it instead of the stock zoom lens, likely the 50mm, with hopes to get the 200mm afterwards as I like the image scale of that lens and it's still within reasonable limits with my LXD75 unguided with some limitations on exposure times. Oddly enough I have the SN6 which I think would make a fine imaging OTA but not without some serious guiding as it is 762mm in focal length at f/5.1 - that will take some serious practice to achieve good results. I just know where I am at and where I need to start with it all because these DSLR's really change the rules of AP in so many ways.

I did however think I would try some lunar and planetary imaging at PF with the SN6 and the DSLR, it's pretty hard to mess that up too bad as the exposure times are relatively short.

I'd say maybe in a year from now I will be getting decent results. I know that is a long ways out, but it all has to happen one step at a time. Thanks for reading my blog and for understanding, I want be patient and learn this right.

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Re: DSLR imaging with a telephoto new [Re: RickShelton]
      #3349874 - 09/22/09 07:30 PM

Quote:

Quote:

This is one of my first goes at AP from last year with the Canon 400mm 5.6 @ 5.6 90 1 minute subs from light polluted skies with no filters, unguided on the EQ6,,,,Paul.




Unguided???? How so? I get star trails at 15 secs with a Digital camera at 10x zoom.

Rick


Hi Rick my EQ6 pro is on a pier and it has been drift aligned, I can go a lot more than 1 minute unguided but without filters the LP is the main problem not the mount,,Paul.

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Re: DSLR imaging with a telephoto new [Re: Jimmy2K63]
      #3349967 - 09/22/09 08:16 PM

Hello Jimmy,

Imaging with a telephoto lens is very rewarding especially for large or extended targets. Below are a few images I have captured using a 200mm f/2.8L and a 50mm f/1.8.

I know my Atlas EQ-G, when polar aligned with the alignment scope, can take 1-2 minute images at 200mm witout guiding and no drift.







Remember to Have Fun!
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Re: DSLR imaging with a telephoto new [Re: jgibson1@emich]
      #3350205 - 09/22/09 09:53 PM

WOW!!! Nice images of NA Nebula and Lagoon/Trifid. Is that Sagittarius I see on the bottom? A mosaic taken with the 50mm f/1.8? I can't get over the density of these images.

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Re: DSLR imaging with a telephoto new [Re: Jimmy2K63]
      #3350257 - 09/22/09 10:14 PM

Hey Jimmy,

Yeah the bottom image is a 13 panel mosaic created using the nifty 50. The bright "star" is Jupiter (image acquired last summer) and that is indeed the teapot. In the full res image (~10,000 pixels wide there is a lot of detail visible including even the cats paw nebula. This little lens when stoped down really performs well.


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Re: DSLR imaging with a telephoto new [Re: jgibson1@emich]
      #3419206 - 10/29/09 09:51 PM

Seems like forever that I've been working towards purchasing this, but I just got my DSLR today. I finally settled on a Canon XS based on the advice of some forum members. I haven't purchased any primes just yet, but it will take me a while to just join the modern world and learn how to run the thing. I thought I would try my hand at some widefield piggybacking with the 18-55mm kit lens for now and will purchase the $100 50mm f/1.8 in a couple of months. I was eyeing up the Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM pondering its usability as an astro and daytime lens as well.

Now you guys will just have to put up with me. My apologies in advance.

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