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David Knisely
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Re: Do globulars all look the same? new [Re: Crossen]
      #3345982 - 09/21/09 12:52 AM

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Although I only use binoculars, I detect differences in my unresolved views of globular clusters.




Me too. There's lots of differences among globulars visible in giant and supergiant binocs.

To start with, some have higher surface brightness than others. As Hrundi suggests, contrast the dim, hazy Class XII NGC 5466 in Boötes with the more concentrated and brighter M3 4° to its west. Another good surface brightness contrast (though they're a bit far apart) is between the very loose Class XI M55 in Sagittarius and the dense Class I M75 to its east.

David Knisely mentions the stellar core of M15 in Pegasus, which is distinctly star-like even in, say, 15x50 binocs. This is one of the "core-collapse" globulars: clusters in which most of the brightest stars, because they are among the cluster's heaviest, have literally sunk into its center. M30 in Capricornus, M62 in Scorpius, and M70 in Sagittarius are other core-collapse globulars. Though best seen with binocs from the southern hemisphere, all three exhibit their stellar core with giant binocs from dark-sky sites.




No, I mention a stellar core to M5 not M15. M15's core is definitely more concentrated than some globulars, but I do not see a very distinct stellar core there (just something rather small and concentrated). The one in M5 is actually composed of three or four stars in a tight triangle that is difficult to resolve unless the seeing is very very stable and powers in excess of 300x are used. Clear skies to you.

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Re: Do globulars all look the same? new [Re: David Knisely]
      #3346697 - 09/21/09 12:48 PM

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M5 . . . has a small dense almost star-like core embedded in its brighter central region. That almost nuclear core at really high power (400x and up) is made up of three or four very closely spaced stars in a sort of triangle, but it takes really high power and excellent seeing to resolve it.




Sorry about the confusion between M5 and M15, David. It was a matter of the mind supplying the "1" that was not actually on the screen. Your description of M5 is similar to my original observing note about what M15 looked like in 15x100 binoculars: "M15. Very compact: a truly stellar nucleus embedded in a small, dense, high surface brightness core surrounded by a faint, low surface brightness, rather tight halo." In addition, your mention of the three stars at the core of M5 recalled to my mind what I had read about mass segregation in the core of M15.

Your description of M5 is of course based upon observations at high power in telescopes, mine of M15 on what it looks like in only supergiant binocs. For the interest of comparison, I will quote my observing notes of what I saw of M5 in 15x100s: "M5. Rather more compact than I expected. Core/halo structure v pronounced: almost a boundary between the two. The core is considerably higher surface brightness than the halo and proportionately rather larger. Both, but esp. the halo, have a hint of granularity. In the halo WSW of core is a superimposed field star." The difference is that what at high power is simply a bright central region at 15x inevitably is seen as a "core." I don't believe Harris classifies M5 as a core-collapse globular, and in my description I don't mention a "stellar nucleus" like I do in my note of M15.

However, all this is a good illustration of the point I was making in my original post: Globular clusters show LOTS of structure in giant and supergiant binocs. One does not need a telescope to see their individuality.

Craig Crossen


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Re: Do globulars all look the same? new [Re: Crossen]
      #3347120 - 09/21/09 03:38 PM

For a given brightness, yes, they're all of a much-ness. But there's considerably variation in brightness:







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Re: Do globulars all look the same? [Re: Jeff Young]
      #3352698 - 09/23/09 10:13 PM

Colleagues,
Globulars are definitely my favorite type of DSO. Don't neglect to bump up the magnification--they take high powers quite well. This is when the differences among them really start becoming noticeable.
Paul


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