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CLRobles
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There is a pair of Nikon 10x40's on the large auction house... Auction #160363842049. Its advertised as a high grade Nikon bin? I have never seen this model though? Has anyone here? Has anyone used it? Is it any good? I have fancy for rare high quality bins but am not sure if this one is any good?
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hallelujah
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Nikon made the 10x40 in both Porro prism & roof prism binoculars, perhaps you can provide us with the link.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Nikon-10x40-High-Grade-Binoculars-Pre-LX-Collector-item_W0QQitemZ160363842049QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090920?IMSfp=TL090920152001r1414
-------------------- Celestron Traveler 8x25 & B. & H. 8x40 FC JAPAN & Revue 10x50 CF Porro FC JAPAN &
Pentax 12x50 PCF WP II FMC & Pentax 16x60 PCF WP FMC &
Pentax 20x60 PCF WP II FMC & Orion 12x63 Mini Giant FMC JAPAN &
SPECTRUM I 20x65 FC JAPAN &
Orion 15x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN & Orion 20x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN
Orion 16x80 Giant FMC JAPAN & Orion 30x80 MEGAView FMC JAPAN
Barska 30x80 X-Trail LW FC & Burgess Optical Series II 20x90 FMC
Hallelujah! For the LORD God Omnipotent Reigneth
Edited by hallelujah (09/22/09 10:29 PM)
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CLRobles
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Thats the one
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Rich V.
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Nikon shows the Executive II 10x40 HP RA in 1992 and a 10x40 HP WP in 1998. By the looks, it's likely the 1992 model.
In the $250-$350 price range I think modern roof binoculars with phase coatings would be a better buy. There are many to choose from.
Rich V
-------------------- Binoculars:
33/50/75/150x100 Saturn III, 16x70 FMT-SX, 10x50 PCF-V, 10x43 DCF-SP, 10x35 E2, 7x35 E, 8x30 E2, 7x26 Custom, 8x23AS Diplomat, 8x23 Travelite
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hallelujah
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As I recall the Nikon HG binoculars were very good binoculars but sold outside the USA. Notice the location of the seller.
-------------------- Celestron Traveler 8x25 & B. & H. 8x40 FC JAPAN & Revue 10x50 CF Porro FC JAPAN &
Pentax 12x50 PCF WP II FMC & Pentax 16x60 PCF WP FMC &
Pentax 20x60 PCF WP II FMC & Orion 12x63 Mini Giant FMC JAPAN &
SPECTRUM I 20x65 FC JAPAN &
Orion 15x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN & Orion 20x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN
Orion 16x80 Giant FMC JAPAN & Orion 30x80 MEGAView FMC JAPAN
Barska 30x80 X-Trail LW FC & Burgess Optical Series II 20x90 FMC
Hallelujah! For the LORD God Omnipotent Reigneth
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Rich V.
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I just looked at a 1996 Nikon catalog and they appear to be the Execulite II. Their premium bins at that time were called the Criterion Series.
Nikon says "The Execulite II 8x32 and 10x40 roof prism models are ultra slim and lightweight".
Specs:
FOV = 5.9°
ER = 15.4mm
wt. = 24.1 oz.
They are not phase coated and are not waterproof like the newer HG series.
Rich V
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brocknroller
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From the ad: "view is as god as Nikon LX HG"
Even if he had written "as good," that would still have been an exaggeration.
I'm surprised Hallelujah didn't pick up on that typo! :-)
This is the third pair of pre-LX HG roofs I've seen for sale on eBay, and all the sellers were from Canada.
I don't remember them being sold in the US, but I think 1992 was before I became interested in bins. I was still into telescopes.
Americans got the Sporters. I bought the 8x36 model. It was my first small roof bin (I already had a 9x63 Jap. roof with Abbe-Koenig prisms), and it was also the first bin I owned with twist-up eyecups.
I liked the eyecups, the generous ER and FOV, and the usual Japanese Nikon superior edge sharpness, but I noticed that the images were "soft" compared to my porros (at the time, the original Jap.-made 8x42 Ultralite and Jap.-made 8x32 Celestron Ultima).
I was also amazed that the images looked larger than 8x, particularly at close range.
However, I didn't like the ergonomics, but that's true of almost every close bridged roof I've tried.
The only roof bin I've used hand held that felt as comfortable in my hands and that I could hold as steady as a porro was the new Nikon 10x42 EDG (actually, steadier than the views through the 10x42 SE).
No doubt it's much better optically than the pre-phase coated HG and Sporter, but the $1,650 price difference ($2K) is a huge amount of money to pay for improvements, which for the most part, were made to correct the inherent deficiencies in the roof prism design in order to make it as "god" as much less expensive porros.
It should therefore come as no surprise that I think the industry has gone in the wrong direction by putting almost all their R & D and innovations into roof prism bins.
Having tried a 505 Nikon SE recently (the next to last production run), with updated coatings that give it almost as much contrast and color depth as my LX roofs, I can imagine what Nikon could have done with the SE and EII series had they continued their evolution instead of damning them to extinction.
The internal focus Leupold Cascades cost only $200. They have the best ergonomics I've ever had the pleasure to hold in my hands. When I picked them up for the first time, my fingers and palms fell in just the right position without any effort, and they have extra cushioning right where my thumbs rest underneath. Wonderful to hold!
The Cascades optics were good, but not spectacular, however, the stingy FOV was claustrophobic.
I also didn't like the thin, finger pricking, "on the focuser" diopter adjustment wheel (which adjusted the LEFT EP).
Didn't like the "on the focuser" right diopter adjustment wheel on the EDG either, though it is more comfortable to use, but not easy to find.
Put SE-quality optics in that Chinese-made Cascades body, expand the FOV to at least 7.5*, keep the internal focuser, make a click-stop right diopter ring on the right EP, and then add field flatteners and ED glass, and for a fraction of the cost of an alpha roof, you'd have a porro as waterproof as the $2,000 EDG, and optically, as good as (if not better than) the EDG.
All I can say about the sad fact that Nikon abandoned its high-end porros so it could compete with the Big Three alpha bin makers is "Ain't That A Shame":
FATS
-------------------- B'rock, son of Grilka
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Wes James
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I agree, Brock- I hope that Porro's have more ultimate potential- and hope that there always continues to be quality ones available, and that- somehow, their state of advancement will continue, though it is a shame Nikon seems to be putting all their eggs in one basket.
I had the opportunity to try a pair of the EDG's at the St. Augustine Birding & Photo Fest this past spring, and the diopter adjustment- for me would have been an absolute dealbreaker for me if I'd have been inclined... To me, it was the absolute worst diopter adjuster I've ever seen in my relatively short binocular life.
-------------------- Wes
Atlantic Beach, FL
Some bino’s from Miyauchi 5x32 Binon's up through Garrett 20x110 Signature's,
Some telescopes from a Stellarvue 80mm NHNG up through a couple of 8” reflectors…
And a wonderful 4.25" Delmarva Shiefspiegler!
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KennyJ
   
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I'm another who steadfastly refuses to purchase ANY binoculars that have the diopter adjustment attached or close to the centre focus wheel -- that is apart from the Swarovski I bought for my wife a few years ago .
Kenny
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charen
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I must be different ! I much prefer the wheel diopter with the central focuser. This is one of the attributes I actively look for. The BD Minox ED 10x58 BR, B. and L. Discoverer 7x42 and 10x42, the Leupold Arcadia 8x42 and several others have this feature. I fact I choose the Leupold Arcadias over the Cascades becuase of this. It is one of those 'features' that does polarise poeople. 
Chris
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CLRobles
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Well if there is some turn of events and Nikon does decide to bring back a new SE lets hope they decide to add one more bin to its lineup.... A 15x60 SE would be the "Cats Meow"!
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