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scott50
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wavefront of secondary
      #3366254 - 09/30/09 02:33 PM

I have a very good Cave 12.5" f6 mirror, but I don't know its wavefront accuracy. But it give good images. I'm upgrading my secondary to an Antares
2.14". They come in various wavefronts: 1/14, 1/15, 1/18, 1/20 & 1/30 at increasing price levels. They all sound great, and I don't want to pay for something that wouldn't make a discernible difference. ANY ADVICE? Thanks.

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tim53
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Re: wavefront of secondary new [Re: scott50]
      #3366478 - 09/30/09 04:35 PM

First question: Why? Was the original damaged?

Total wavefront should be additive. So if the primary is 1/14th and you add a 1/14th 2ndary, the system will be 1/7th.

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Re: wavefront of secondary new [Re: scott50]
      #3366711 - 09/30/09 06:20 PM

When Cave optical sold secondaries, they were advertised as 1/10 wave. The same secondaries they used with their mirrors. That being the case, the 1/14 wave should be at least as good as the original.

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Re: wavefront of secondary new [Re: tim53]
      #3366839 - 09/30/09 07:26 PM

Quote:

Total wavefront should be additive. So if the primary is 1/14th and you add a 1/14th 2ndary, the system will be 1/7th.




That's true for uncorrelated RMS errors. It's certainly not true of peak to valley errors, and certainly not if one is expressed on the wavefront and the other on the surface (by the way, path length difference is 1.4x smaller when you go from surface to wavefront at 45° than at 90°, another source of "apples vs. oranges").

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