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jkevn
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New Resolux 15X70 Eye Relief Compromise Questions
      #3367081 - 09/30/09 09:16 PM

I just received my new Orion Resolux 15X70 binoculars. I've only tried them in the daytime so far. When I ordered them I was a little worried about the eye relief, and it turns out that it is, in fact, kind of borderline for me.

I have pretty deeply recessed eyes, apparently. I can't see the full field of view with my glasses off with the eyecups up. I can just barely, with the eyecups down, but it is really tight, kind of uncomfortable, and the IPD adjustment is really critical in getting the whole FOV in both eyes at the same time. I can do it, but I need to look at the center of the field of view; if I look to the side at all, I can't see the full FOV in one or both eyes. And I have to press kind of hard. The eye relief specs seem generous, however the eyepieces are deeply recessed, and this is the reason for this problem, I think.

The only binoculars that I've felt really comfortable with in terms of eye relief and a 5 mm or less exit pupil are the Nikon Action Extremes 10X50. In these binoculars I can actually look to the side with both eyes and follow the edge of the eyepiece field stop all the way around.

Other characteristics I noted for the new 15X70 Resolux; chromatic aberration fringing seems the best I've seen in many binoculars in the daytime when looking at the edges of distant hills and telephone poles. Focus is extremely sharp on both sides in daylight, but looking at stars later will be a better test. The IPD setting to get the max FOV with both eyes seems to be around 68, but this seems strange, because my last eye exams were 72 and 73 mm for IPD. My eye exam numbers may have been incorrect, but I don't know. I guess I could try and measure the binoculars IPD using a scale, and estimate the center of the eyepieces and compare this to the reading on the binoculars scale to see if it is correct. The numerical diopter readings when in focus, for my eyes, are within 1/2 diopter of my last eye exam; very good. AR coatings look really good. There is no rubber padding on the tripod mount, just metal to metal, so being the perfectionist that I am, I am worried that rotation of the binoculars on the mount will mar the paint or anodizing on the binoculars from use. There should be a thin gasket or neoprene washer or something.

So far I really like these binoculars, optically and mechanically. When I try them out tonight, I hope they live up to the rave reviews of Resolux as well as its clones with different Garrett, Oberwerk, AP and more brands. But I am concerned about the eye relief.

One solution to the eye relief problem might be to exchange them for 10.5X70 Resolux from Orion. This would cost shipping, but Orion will automatically do this without question. This would buy me an additional 5 mm of eye relief, that would probably make the binoculars more comfortable to use to see the full FOV. They would also be more steady handheld because of the lower mag. However, this would reduce the effective aperture from 70 to 58 mm, since my measured dark adapted pupil size is 5 to 5.5 mm.

Is this compromise worthwhile? Or will I probably get used to the tight view to see the whole FOV, but still have the benefit of full aperture, to see the faintest objects with the high magnification?

I will post again after I try these binoculars at night.

Kevin


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Re: New Resolux 15X70 Eye Relief Compromise Questions new [Re: jkevn]
      #3367373 - 09/30/09 11:26 PM

I suppose removing the eyecups entirely during use is out of the question? A friend of mine also has deeply recessed eyes, and when necessary he'll remove eyecups to reduce the overall diameter of the eyepieces.

By the way, I wouldn't ever trust the IPD scale on any bino.

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Re: New Resolux 15X70 Eye Relief Compromise Questions new [Re: GlennLeDrew]
      #3367430 - 09/30/09 11:47 PM

Quote:

By the way, I wouldn't ever trust the IPD scale on any bino.




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Re: New Resolux 15X70 Eye Relief Compromise Questions new [Re: Man in a Tub]
      #3367832 - 10/01/09 06:17 AM

I'd stick with the 15x70 for the added depth of view, fainter objects and deeper stars.

measure the IPD from lens edge to lens edge, same as center to center, assuming the exit pupil is not being projected out the eyepiece at some odd angle, which would be unusual.

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Re: New Resolux 15X70 Eye Relief Compromise Questions new [Re: EdZ]
      #3368000 - 10/01/09 08:36 AM

I have found the IPD scale on all three of my fuji FMT's to be accurate.

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Re: New Resolux 15X70 Eye Relief Compromise Questions new [Re: RichD]
      #3368052 - 10/01/09 09:17 AM

One thing to keep in mind is the AFOV in the 10.5x70's is much smaller at around 52 deg. So while you will certainly see more TFOV, whatever you are missing in AFOV because of the eyerelief, isn't even gonna be there in the 10.5x70's..

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Celestron C6 SCT on CG4 mount
Skywatcher 8 inch F/5 Newt on a GEM
Celestron 8 inch Starhopper Dob
Celestron Oynx 80ED
Celestron C130 Mak
Celestron C102HD
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Nikon 7x35 Action
Nikon 7x50 Action
Zen Ray Summit 10x42
Celestron 10x42 Noble
Orion 10x50 Scenix
Celestron 10x50 Noble
Pentax 12x50 PCF WP II
Celestron 15x70 Skymaster
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Re: New Resolux 15X70 Eye Relief Compromise Questions new [Re: 94bamf]
      #3368239 - 10/01/09 10:57 AM

Since these binoculars are really intended to be used mounted, another option would be to go up in size to the 15x85 which uses the longer eye relief eyepieces like the 10.5x70. The AFOV is likewise smaller though, 53° vs. 65° with a true FOV of 3.5° vs. 4.3° for the 15x70. Garrett offers these larger models from the same source but unfortunately, Orion does not.

The size difference is considerable, though, the 15x70 is 5.5# while the 15x85 is 10#.

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Re: New Resolux 15X70 Eye Relief Compromise Questions new [Re: Rich V.]
      #3368597 - 10/03/09 02:07 PM

I have similar imperssions with these binoculars. As I have rather small face, it is impossible to adjust them to the necessairly low IPD and still put my nose between the eyepieces. Since the eyepieces are really large (I'm not taking their superior quality under consideration right now), this is not a binocular for everyone - especially not fot children.

On the other hand I would promptly agree - the maverlous relation of quality and price makes me forget about small disadvantages of these binoculars.


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Re: New Resolux 15X70 Eye Relief Compromise Questions new [Re: Pepin The Short]
      #3368605 - 10/03/09 02:12 PM

this is not a binocular for everyone - especially not for children.

Absolutely correct. Minimum IPD will not accommodate many young children, and some adults for that matter

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Re: New Resolux 15X70 Eye Relief Compromise Questions new [Re: EdZ]
      #3368720 - 10/03/09 02:55 PM

Everyone, thanks for your responses. I agree with EdZ that higher magnification will give greater depth of view, fainter objects and deeper stars, but I think this depends a lot on how much light pollution there is.

I sent them back, despite how much I was impressed with the quality. I just couldn't deal with the tunnel vision. As I said, I could adjust them so that I could see the full field of view with both eyes, but it was really, really tight.

I am still trying to figure out what to buy instead, that has the best quality, with $370 to play with. The 10X50 Resolux or Signatures look like they have pretty much the same eye relief.

I would go ahead and exchange them for the 10.5X70 Resolux, but as I said, my pupils are 5.5 mm, so I would lose light because I would only be using a 58 mm diameter area of the 70 mm objective, because of its 6.7 mm exit pupil. The alternative seems to be to go to the mid-quality 70 mm binoculars, like the Gemini 15x70, with greater eye relief. But I recalled EdZ observations that almost all mid-quality binoculars have a reduced aperture, of 8-10%. 58 mm doesn't seem that much different from 72 or 73 mm...


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Re: New Resolux 15X70 Eye Relief Compromise Questions new [Re: jkevn]
      #3368726 - 10/03/09 02:57 PM

Oops, I meant 62 or 63 mm.

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Re: New Resolux 15X70 Eye Relief Compromise Questions new [Re: jkevn]
      #3368906 - 10/03/09 04:30 PM

Strange how we are all diferent. The eyerelief of my TS Marine wich is thesame binocular is about perfect for me. Actually it is the most convenient binocular i have in almost any way and for sure in eyerelief...
I guess i am lucky...

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