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jeffweiss9
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I'd like to trade in my LX90GPS fork-mount for a good EQ mount for better astrophotography, faster field setup time and, perhaps most importantly, REDUCE THE LIFTING WEIGHT required due to some sporadic back problems I'd like to avoid in the future. ANY ADVICE/RECOMMENDATIONS greatly appreciated. I've been considering Sphinx D (SXD) and CGEM. I see people doing good things with CGEM, less so for SXD, but the lifting weight (mount weight) for a CGEM is 41 lbs, even heavier than my LX90 lifting weight, while that for an SXD is only 19 lbs. Total weights are 75 lbs vs. 44 lbs, while their stated capacities go the other way at 40 lbs and 50 lbs, respectively, where I plan about 30 lbs total load on it. Since, in spite of its advantages and significantly lower cost, I probably can't go with the CGEM due to its high lifting weight, can anyone out there either tell me the SXD is a viable solution or recommend another lighter weight mount that is? (GM8?) Thanks very much. Jeff
-------------------- SVR90 Raptor 90mm APO
AT66ED 66mm
SXD Mount
ST2000XM
Astrodon I Gen 2 filters
CCDSoft v5,AIP4WIN,PS-CS2
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Doubleglaze
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Hi Jeff -
I have an SXD mount and I'd say it depends on the OTA you are thinking of mounting to it, and more importantly the focal length you'll be imaging at. You might be happy with the SXD, you might be grumpy depending on the use condition you're planning.
The SXD is pretty light. I have it on a Scope Buggy and its a breeze to pull around the yard. When I was carrying the mount by hand it was easy, but the buggy makes it super simple so I keep the mount attached all the time now. Takes me 15 minutes from opening the garage door to being polar aligned, goto calibrated, and ready to use. No complaints about the portability and set up of the SXD, its nice and light.
Polar alignment is easy, go to accuracy is very good if reasonably well polar aligned and level. The mount hates to be unlevel and unbalanced. Goto suffers a lot if its not polar aligned and level, tracking suffers a lot if its not level and well balanced. The alignment process has some quirks but works very well if you pick the right target stars and are level - I can almost always hit any target within around 0.2 degrees after a 6 point calibration.
I have around 20 pounds on the mount right now between the Pentax 75SDHF, Borg guide scope, Canon camera, adapters, saddle plates, etc and for visual work there's no issue at all with the setup. With my Vixen VMC260L at 3000mm focal length and around 30 pounds (OTA + focuser + eyepiece + other stuff) there's also no issue, the mount works great for visual work even at high focal length. Imaging at 3000mm would be a mess though, and I think a waste of time. I haven't tried it yet but I'm 99% sure I will be disappointed if I try and image with my long FL scope on this mount.
With the Pentax I've had sessions where I cant get 60 second images at 500mm focal length without trailing, mainly due to random declination axis jumps of around 30 arc-sec. Seems to be a random thing as sometimes I have the issue and sometimes I dont. Always accompanied by a small clicking sound from the mount, so I suspect slipping gears on the dec axis due to tightness. Since I've been paying close attention to careful balance and leveling its gotten a lot better, but the dec axis tightness and other weirdness can be a problem. I think as I get more experience with the quirks and have better set ups this will improve, the last few months have been much better than the first few.
I've also successfully taken shots unguided at 2 minutes with no star trailing or dec jumping - at 500mm focal length. I can shoot at 120 seconds all night with around 85% image yield (wind gusts = bad). I've gotten a couple of good strings of guided 5 minute images at 500mm, some good ones at 10 minutes, and a few good ones at 15 minutes. I've settled on 2 minutes for high yields, but I anticipate running this up to 5 minutes as I've been getting much better results by adding the Borg guide scope, PhD, and with a little tweaking my satisfaction has been much improved. Remember this is at 500mm focal length, which should be pretty forgiving. At higher focal lengths the stability will become more and more of an issue though I dont yet have a good feeling where yields will fall apart.
The SXD star book hand controller is easy to use and reasonably intuitive. That said, I barely use it and wish I could turn it off entirely. The LCD back light is ungodly bright, this can be adjusted but at first turn on its as bright as a little nova shining on your mount. Really messes up night vision regardless of what setting you have in the firmware for backlight intensity. In new software builds there is a feature to turn off the display completely after 5, 10, 30 seconds and I keep it set at 5 seconds. I drive the mount via Cartes du Ciel whcih works fine so I never touch the controller after initial setup.
So short answer is, for visual work the SXD is great with regards to its weight vs. carrying capacity. For short focal length imaging I'm getting decent results with a bit of tweaking and learning. Above 1000mm focal length, not sure yet but I can imagine it working up to around 1500mm with under 2 minute exposures.
Some images are up at http://www.astrophotogallery.org/showgallery.php/cat/638. All are shot on the SXD with 60 to 180 second exposures, 120 most common.
Mark
-------------------- Vixen VMC260L / Sphinx SXD
Pentax 75 SDHF
Canon 40D / 50mm f1.4 / 100mm f2.8 macro / 28-135 f/3.5-5.6 / 200mm f2.8L
http://www.astrophotogallery.org/u166-doubleglaze.html
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donsinger1
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If you are having back problems, then go with the GM8. The Gemini goto is accurate and tracks well, and autoguides well (but don't use PEC while autoguiding or you will get westward RA drift, which is a known problem). But, does not matter because guiding is excellent (5 minute subs should be no problem). I had a GM8 and it is light and reliable. My CGEM is more of a beast, but light if you break it apart. CGEM is much sturdier in a breeze:).
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jeffweiss9
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Thanks, Mark, but that doesn't sound too encouraging, as I am currently doing 4min to 8min subs and would like to go to ~15min but with a lighter setup. I found a thread on "GM8 or SXD" from February that I'm studying but it looks like the SXD software has a lot of shortcomings, like only a partially implemented ASCOM driver. You are happy with it using Cartes du Ciel. I wonder if others are happy using it with Nebulosity or MaximDL ? Looks like my 30 lb load might be at the upper end. Jeff
-------------------- SVR90 Raptor 90mm APO
AT66ED 66mm
SXD Mount
ST2000XM
Astrodon I Gen 2 filters
CCDSoft v5,AIP4WIN,PS-CS2
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jeffweiss9
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Thanks, Don- Yes, I guess for light weight the GM8 also meets my criteria with a 21 lb head. The maximum load I expect will go to almost 30 lbs so unless that capacity rating is VERY conservative, it might be on the edge. Any thoughts? I presume the Gemini software is good (widely used) and the optional polar finder gives a quick field setup. On the CGEM, the head is 41 lbs and that's more than the LX90GPS 8" I'm lifting now (about 35 lbs) so probably in the wrong direction for me, although the price is very good and people seem to be getting good results with it. Jeff
-------------------- SVR90 Raptor 90mm APO
AT66ED 66mm
SXD Mount
ST2000XM
Astrodon I Gen 2 filters
CCDSoft v5,AIP4WIN,PS-CS2
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Jeff55
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Jeff; I also have back problems...I have a CGEM on a set of JMI Wheely Bars and have no problems keeping this set up and moving it into my backyard. The CGEM is hands-down the most value for the money and I highly recommend it.
-------------------- Jeff Kurtz
CGEM With ADM/Criterion Accesories
Celestron C9.25
WO Megrez 90
Denk Binoviewer
Leica 14mm/22mm Eyepieces
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Doubleglaze
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Hi Jeff -
The Starbook software does have some oddities and shortcomings but for the most part it works fine. I use Nebulosity, PhD and Cartes du Ciel at the same time and have no issues - except perhaps forgetting to turn off guiding before slewing.
To put it in context - I'm planning on another mount for imaging. The SXD works very well and if I were visual only it would be fine but I don't want to spend precious time and ancient photons capturing wiggle-wiggle-wiggle or wondering why every star in the sky has a double 30 arc seconds away (and all in the same direction, imagine that).
Mark
-------------------- Vixen VMC260L / Sphinx SXD
Pentax 75 SDHF
Canon 40D / 50mm f1.4 / 100mm f2.8 macro / 28-135 f/3.5-5.6 / 200mm f2.8L
http://www.astrophotogallery.org/u166-doubleglaze.html
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jeffweiss9
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Since there is lots of doubt out there about using the SXD for AP, and I need a light, portable mount for all my imaging is at remote sites, that would seem to narrow it down to the GM-8. Love to hear more folk's views on the prospects of using GM8 for ~15min exposures with up to 26 or 27 lbs of gear and any other issues with it. Thanks -Jeff
-------------------- SVR90 Raptor 90mm APO
AT66ED 66mm
SXD Mount
ST2000XM
Astrodon I Gen 2 filters
CCDSoft v5,AIP4WIN,PS-CS2
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Patrick
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I need a light, portable mount for all my imaging is at remote sites, that would seem to narrow it down to the GM-8.
GM8 would probably fit your requirements but it depends on your imaging focal length. As an alternative have you considered the Orion Sirius mount? The Sirius mount is essentially in the same weight class as the GM-8, but less expensive. PE on the GM8 is probably a little better than the Sirius however. Either mount will have to be autoguided for 15 minute exposures. Are you planning on using narrow band filters (thus the long exposures)?
One other thought...since you're weight restricted, you might rethink your imaging and guide scopes to reduce the weight and physical length...perhaps you've done that already? I'm using an AT66ED/C6 SCT on my CG5-GT. That combo weighs in at about 24 lbs.
Also, shooting at shorter focal lengths might be a necessity if you really can't handle a heavier mount to support longer and heavier scopes. Or you might have to have someone help you setup and tear down.
Patrick
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Celestron CPC 1100 XLT
10" f/6 Truss Tube Newtonian
Celestron C6S-GT SCT
AT66ED Refractor
Canon XSi; Meade DSI;SPC900-NC
Vixen GP2 Photo Guider Mount
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Edited by Patrick (10/06/09 08:44 PM)
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jeffweiss9
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Thanks, Patrick- The Orion Sirius would certainly be more economical. Yes, I was planning to autoguide and the longest exposures would be for the Orion NB filter set. Autoguiding would probably be mostly with an Astro-Tech AT8RC (not purchased yet, but 13-lb carbon fiber). The imaging scope would usually be the Stellarvue SVR90 carbon fiber (6 lbs), but the AT66ED (4 lbs) for wider field. Add about 2 lbs for plates and rings and 3.5 lbs for 2 DSI cameras, FW, FR and spacers, I get something like 25 lbs plus a bit of margin to allow for a heavier camera some day. So with those scopes and the carbon fiber, I think I've pretty much minimized the scope weights. I've also recently obtained the Orion Deluxe OAG and plan to start using that to reduce flexure. In principle, that ought to let me go down to only one scope at time (12-19 lbs total+5 margin=17-24lbs), but I believe that is going to reduce the number of setups with focal reducers quite a bit (maybe eliminate all focal reducers, as I haven't used the OAG yet and the back focus limits of these scopes may prevent their use). Although if that happened, I'm thinking a larger format CCD would be a partial fix, although the exposures would still have to be (for me) in the 10-15 min. range. Of course, I'd like to do all that with 10+ mph winds (GM-11?), but expect to settle for something that tolerated a bit less than that with these weight restrictions. I'll also take a look at the Sirius EQ-G after I get the head weight (not on their web page) and if folks here say it is capable of that kind of accuracy. Thanks for the suggestion (I live a few miles from the Orion store). -Jeff
-Jeff
-------------------- SVR90 Raptor 90mm APO
AT66ED 66mm
SXD Mount
ST2000XM
Astrodon I Gen 2 filters
CCDSoft v5,AIP4WIN,PS-CS2
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