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Interesting Phocylides and Nasmyth feature
      #3374429 - 10/06/09 12:20 PM Attachment (19 downloads)

Hello all –

I would like to share a lunar feature that I found puzzling, and then, after a little research, very interesting. I thought that I would bring it up because I have not seen this topic in any forums.

I was imaging the Moon’s terminator with my Meade LPI camera attached to my Celestron Super C-8 Plus at approx. 9:20pm on September 30th. (01:20 9/31/09 UT). This would put the Moon’s age at about 12.26 days.

When I examined the images the next day, I noticed what appeared to be a horizontal glitch on one of my images. I was sure that a large piece of dust had landed on the LPI’s chip, or that the data was somehow corrupted. However, the very next image overlapped the same area, and the glitch was still there, but on a different part of the chip. I then started to refer to it as a FEATURE, not a glitch. The craters involved are Phocylides (top) and Nasmyth (bottom). The larger crater below the circle is Schickard. North is down, and East is to the right in these images.
See the circled area of the image below, and the un-circled area on the subsequent image:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/burbscope/3987479558/in/set-72157622528968210/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/burbscope/3987480164/in/set-72157622528968210/

Here is a 4X enlargement of the horizontal feature.:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/burbscope/3987480300/in/set-72157622528968210/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/burbscope/3986727361/in/set-72157622528968210/

After a bit of web surfing, I ran across the following article in the Journal of the British Astronomical Association.
“The Topography of the Phocylides and Nasmyth Area of the Moon” by D.G. Buczynski and P. Wade
(as archived by SAO/NASA Astrophysics Data System (ADS) at:
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1985JBAA...95..106B)

Please read the article, which provides a detailed explanation of illumination conditions, the difference in crater floor elevations, and the wall between the craters.

It was very interesting to me to find an illustration in scientific literature (as sited above) that so closely matched an image of mine, taken many years later, and probably within a hour or so of the moons age. Pure serendipity.
(I am reproducing an illustration without permission, but I believe that I have given adequate credit).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/burbscope/3987516548/in/set-72157622528968210/

I did a fair amount of searching, and I have not found any images of this area under similar lighting conditions.
I have seen some jaw-dropping lunar images on Cloudy Nights, so I hereby challenge you experts out there to get a hi-res image of this area under similar lighting conditions (a couple of days before the full moon). Please post your results here!

Edited by burb scope (10/07/09 08:05 AM)


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Re: Interesting Phocylides and Nasmyth feature new [Re: burb scope]
      #3375346 - 10/06/09 08:02 PM

Ben, I'm fascinated with the intriguing shadow play involved in the Phocylides/Nasmyth straight edge feature you caught so nicely. I'll try to capture the craters in similar lighting.

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Re: Interesting Phocylides and Nasmyth feature new [Re: kraterkid]
      #3375469 - 10/06/09 09:11 PM

Thanks Kraterkid. I have seen some of your posts, and your input on this would be very welcome and enlightening. I kind of feel like I just dangled a piece of steak in front of a pit bull.

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Re: Interesting Phocylides and Nasmyth feature new [Re: burb scope]
      #3380474 - 10/09/09 01:21 PM

HMM, what are these guys up to???!

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Re: Interesting Phocylides and Nasmyth feature new [Re: RobertED]
      #3380897 - 10/09/09 06:54 PM

Could it have anything do do with the crater on the north-western edge of Phocylides?

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Re: Interesting Phocylides and Nasmyth feature new [Re: Montana_Nights]
      #3416173 - 10/28/09 01:54 PM

I believe that this area will be on/near the terminator within the next 2 days.
If someone would post a hi-res shot of the Phocylides / Nasmyth area I would greatly appreciate it.
I am interested in that "horizontal line" within the red circle of my original post.
Thanks in advance!


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Re: Interesting Phocylides and Nasmyth feature new [Re: burb scope]
      #3417835 - 10/29/09 09:35 AM

Hi Ben,

Unfortunately for most folks in the States, the required colongitude of 57.4 degrees will occur in broad daylight. Phocylides and Nasmyth are on my target list though, and I'll give it a go when conditions are favorable, which by reference to the VMA will be on November 28th, 2009 at about 11:30pm PST.

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Re: Interesting Phocylides and Nasmyth feature new [Re: kraterkid]
      #3417981 - 10/29/09 11:08 AM

I wasn't sure how critical the lighting angles would be. For example, would there only be a window of a couple of hours for this "feature" to be evident. I was hoping for a bigger fudge factor. I'll keep trying, as weather permits. Thanks for that next target date in November.

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Re: Interesting Phocylides and Nasmyth feature new [Re: burb scope]
      #3423019 - 11/01/09 01:16 AM Attachment (5 downloads)

Hi Ben

I have never seen this area in this lighting - a nice observation you have made. I have attached an image taken 1st October 2009 that shows both craters in the discussion (far right) - no straight shadow - must be only visible for a few hours as mentioned.
You can see in my image a similar (not as prominent) straight shadow / feature in Vieta- just left of centre.
I will be looking at the end of November to see if I can see what you saw!

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Re: Interesting Phocylides and Nasmyth feature new [Re: Matt Wastell]
      #3425158 - 11/02/09 09:21 AM

Matt - Nice image! Vieta was in the dark on my images that night. Vieta and Phocylides differ by 1 degree of longitude, so I'll add your feature to my watch list.
Thanks for joining the party!


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