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Fov 2.1 deg, wt I'm not sure exactly off the top of my head, but heavy!
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KennyJ
   
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From what I've read , the weight of the Takahashi 22 x 60 is around 4 pounds and 12 ounces , and for a 22x binocular it has outstanding eye relief of around 18mm.
Kenny
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BobinKy
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The Tak weight sure beats my 10-lb Signature 22x85.
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Maybe we should start an e-mail campaign to Takahashi to bring out a successor? Without a doubt, it could easily be the best (and frequently purchased) astro binocular available.
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StarStuff1
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Thanks, guys. This backs up what I remembered reading about the TAks, heavy for a 60mm and also not a very wide field. Still, a super sharp and contrasty image. Hope to come across someone using one of these at a star party soon.
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Wes James
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The thing I find with these, probably due to the quality of the view- I never feel like I'm looking through a bino with a narrow FOV. Wes
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Gordon Rayner
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That the Tak 22 x 60 field is fully illuminated out to an unusual portion of the field is not surprising, when it is considered that the basic body-prism-eyepiece was built for a 7 x 50 with a much steeper light cone, something between f/3.5 and f/4.
I rapidly skimmed through 1991 to 1996 Tenmon Guides, but could not find any Tak ads featuring those, nor Japanese retailer ads with them included. I recall such ads in issues of TG , and probably in Sky& Telescope. Are they from the 1980's? Or from after 1996? My TGs from those periods are in a different location, away from here.
I have never used one. When I saw the adverts, I thought it was a strange combination, in particular since I had spent time fixing Swift and USMC Tasco with cracked glue around the prisms, liberal use by Katsuma of grease-retained shims under the prism plates , to bring the collimation error to within the range of adjustment provided by the somewhat loose eccentric rings around the objectives, heavy rubber, among unsavory aspects of what is a virtual copy, but with lower mechanical quality and integrity, of the WW II USN Bausch and Lomb Rochester Mk. 28 7 x 50.
A post in this forum stated, or speculated, that the objectives of the 22 x 60 Tak are a Canon product. What is the collimation method? Single or double eccentrics around both objectives? Double eccentric around only one objective, as in the Nikon 20 x 120 II and III? Prism plate tilting(which would likely require removing the coverplates, it seems from the photos)?
One wonders if the objectives were respaced (only ?, or radii and/or spacings changed) to work with the prisms, if they originated as part of a prismless refractor? If one has used fluorite, it seems that the prism effects must have been at least considered in the hybridization.
Another successful hybrid with add-on objective tubes screwed into a 7 x 50 body is the WW II USN 9 x 63, which has high axial image quality ( but not flourite or ED or Apo). The making of a hybrid similar to the Tak seems straightforward: untapered cylindrical tubes , ED or flourite objectives, narrow light cones. The major question is the compensation for the presence of prisms, hopefully by a simple respacing of the objective. The use of the phantom roof mode II Amici mirror airprism avoids those problems,should prism presence be significant with narrow cones and relatively( to most telescopes) low magifications, and gives comfortable zenith views.
With all of the attention drawn to those Taks recently, it seems that this is not a good time to look for one. Better to do some other type of observing until things cool off.
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Tony Flanders
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Question: The term "fluorite" when applied to the Tak 22x60, does that imply that there are crystal calcium fluorite elements or only that fluoro- chemicals have been admixed to the normal glass elements? Are there binoculars with true fluorite elements? The advertising is usually ambiguous on this.
The Takahashi 22x60 appears to be a pair of off-the-shelf Takahashi 60-mm APOs with fluorite elements in the objectives grafted onto the body of a (mechanically extraordinarily rigid) 7x50 binocular. Not surprisingly, its optical performance is more like a conventional astronomical refractor than like conventional binoculars.
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Rick
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Ed may want to shine a green laser down the Canon 15x50IS he's testing too. I have been told all UD elements that Canon uses in their "L" lenses are Fluorite so are probably also used in the Canons. I tried it with mine but there are so many elements I lost count of the dots!
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EdZ
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I see a window, a movable singlet, and then a doublet aboout midway inside the tube. No other dots indicating lens edges.
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Wes James
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This is almost starting to sound like a project doable by the advanced ATM'er... start off with a good pair of bino's, and swap off the tubes/objectives... Which, I suppose- is not that far off from what Glen is doing... though his goals seem to be more low powered widefield than the TAK's
I guess that was the basis of the William Optics 22x70 binoculars. They were a good company to undertake a project like that, it seems to me. Would be nice if they could do some tweaks on it to bring it on par with the TAK's.
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Rick
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I see a window, a movable singlet, and then a doublet aboout midway inside the tube. No other dots indicating lens edges.
edz
Ok, I looked it up. It is supposed to be 4 elements in 3 groups followed by the variangle prism. But Canon may be counting the window as an element too. I think the UD lens is the first element in the doublet. My laser seems to be MIA so I can't check.
Rick
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GlennLeDrew
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Wes, Don't forget that my Mk II right angle can swap between the 50mm f/3.3 and 60mm f/4.5 objectives. The latter, when used with the 13mm Ethos, delivers 21X, but the field is no keyhole-like 2.1 deg., but rather 4.7 deg. And the illumination is nearly 100% right to the edge of that huge field, too.
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Wes James
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Glen- You're making me drool! Wes
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One wonders if the objectives were respaced (only ?, or radii and/or spacings changed) to work with the prisms, if they originated as part of a prismless refractor? If one has used fluorite, it seems that the prism effects must have been at least considered in the hybridization.
Not necessarily at this (for anstronomical objectives) relatively low magnification.
Chris
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edwincjones
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Ive been looking for the Exceeds for a couple of years with no luck. I have the Saturn 2 & the pleides . Seems like i,ll never get the Exceeds.
One is for sale on AM now with extra eps edj
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CESDewar
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Ive been looking for the Exceeds for a couple of years with no luck. I have the Saturn 2 & the pleides.
I had both the Exceeds and the Pleiades at the same time, and there wasn't a huge difference in normal observing (but then again the Exceeds aren't that much larger/heavier and have another 17mm of aperture). The optics on the Pleiades were sharper than the Exceeds and that's after having two pairs of the Exceeds to look at and picking the sharper ones.
But the Tak's are in a different class optically with not just slightly sharper optics - they are absolutely razor sharp and looking at something like the Trapezium in the Tak's at 22x60 vs. 30x77 in the Exceeds immediately shows the vast superiority of the Tak optics.
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Solar B
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Calcium fluorite crystal elements. I think these were the same objective elements as used in the Tak FC60 mini refractors.
I think the Prominar version of the Kowa Highlander 82mm binoculars also have true CaF2 crystal elements.
These 2 are the only ones AFAIK.
So are the Highlanders and the Taks the only two binos with real fluorite CaF2 objectives? i find that hard to believe, reading about a current Zeiss model they make reference to fluorite but may not be the real McCoy.
Brian
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milt
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a current Zeiss model they make reference to fluorite but may not be the real McCoy
Correct. I called Zeiss about their FL models a few years ago and was told they did not use CaF2 crystal. However, Zeiss has used it in the past in their APQ telescopes.
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