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Joe Lalumia
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Update for Everyone -- on CN Lighting Presentation new
      #2194379 - 02/15/08 06:06 PM

I received a phone call from the mayor today. He is interested and has given the CN Lighting Presentation to the City Manager and asked that Planning & Zoning look into this. We also have a manager at Parks and Rec that helped write the El Paso lighting Code for the McDonald Observatory. The mayor also asked him to be involved and get the ball rolling.

Mayor instructed them to contact me and setup a meeting. So--- things are moving along. Planning & Zoning has already seen the presentation and contacted me.

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Re: Update for Everyone -- on CN Lighting Presenta new [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #2196313 - 02/16/08 04:28 PM

Congrats Joe! This sounds very encouraging!

Chris

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Re: Update for Everyone -- on CN Lighting Presenta new [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #2196319 - 02/16/08 04:31 PM

Congratulations on your hard work paying off, Joe!
Grassroots citizenship at its finest!

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Joe Lalumia
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Re: Update for Everyone -- on CN Lighting Presenta new [Re: Siderea]
      #2196444 - 02/16/08 05:29 PM

No congratulations just yet-------- ask me again after the meeting. There are some folks on the council that believe MORE light is safer. I will need to push the "save money" really hard. (does anyone have a link to a study proving that less lighting is not really unsafe?) I would like to have this in my hand when it comes up.

Joe

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Re: Update for Everyone -- on CN Lighting Presenta new [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #2196840 - 02/16/08 09:07 PM Attachment (86 downloads)

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does anyone have a link to a study proving that less lighting is not really unsafe?) I would like to have this in my hand when it comes up.




How about studies that show that lighting increases crime? They certainly exist. It turns out that the idea of lighting reducing crime is largely a myth perpetrated by companies that sell lighting (nothing better to sell something than fear) coupled with the juvenile fear of the dark that often extends into adulthood.

Turns out that criminals like to see what they're stealing and like to know if people are watching them

Good luck - hopefully you live in an area with people that have an IQ above that of a wet dish-rag and who will understand such studies. I live in a beautiful dark sky area that is about to be trashed by politicians who dismiss scientific studies as "meaningless"

I am still working on them, but it seems like a hopeless cause (certainly it's a useful lesson not to mention astronomy - at least they don't know that's one of my ulterior motives!).

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Re: Update for Everyone -- on CN Lighting Presentation new [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #2198259 - 02/17/08 02:28 PM

That's a good start.

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Re: Update for Everyone -- on CN Lighting Presenta new [Re: Ptarmigan]
      #2200297 - 02/18/08 12:05 PM

Wish you best of luck and hope that your town doing very well, save money and better lights.........million towns follow your steps!
Milky way in the backyard would be cool!

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Re: Update for Everyone -- on CN Lighting Presenta new [Re: CESDewar]
      #3379546 - 10/09/09 12:43 AM

Quote:

Good luck - hopefully you live in an area with people that have an IQ above that of a wet dish-rag and who will understand such studies. I live in a beautiful dark sky area that is about to be trashed by politicians who dismiss scientific studies as "meaningless"

I am still working on them, but it seems like a hopeless cause (certainly it's a useful lesson not to mention astronomy - at least they don't know that's one of my ulterior motives!).




Well it's now getting on for two years later after I wrote that, and this story has a nice ending. Although the current politicians ignored our efforts, a new commission chairman came in, and a new planning commission was launched. And on that planning commission was an architect who was also an astronomer(!). He put together a new lighting ordinance, incorporated ideas I had put into the one that I proposed, and it just passed. Sure it's not perfect, but it will ensure that all new commercial ventures use down-cast shades, requires that all billboards be lit from the top down, that the lights be turned off by 11pm (!) regardless and a number of other dark-sky friendly attributes.

My thanks to my friend Rick LaRosa for having worked on this and more importantly for succeeding in getting the lighting ordinance passed for our county! Stick with it - sometimes persistence pays off!

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Re: Update for Everyone -- on CN Lighting Presenta new [Re: CESDewar]
      #3379563 - 10/09/09 12:53 AM

Congratulations! That's really great news!

Thanks for letting us know, that persistance does pay off!

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Re: Update for Everyone -- on CN Lighting Presenta new [Re: csa/montana]
      #3384573 - 10/11/09 10:59 PM

Joe another step forward.

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Re: Update for Everyone -- on CN Lighting Presenta new [Re: panhard]
      #3384590 - 10/11/09 11:13 PM

That sounds encouraging, Joe.

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Re: Update for Everyone -- on CN Lighting Presenta new [Re: star drop]
      #3387178 - 10/13/09 01:16 PM

Joe.

Congrats, wish you the best of luck. My neighboring town just put a lighting ordinance in effect and the Planning and Zoning Commission has the power.
If you havent seen this, it was an intresting read on the subject of lighting versus crime


http://www.britastro.org/dark-skies/crime.html

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Re: Update for Everyone -- on CN Lighting Presenta new [Re: nobody special]
      #3387371 - 10/13/09 03:08 PM

Way to go!

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Re: Update for Everyone -- on CN Lighting Presenta [Re: hm insulators]
      #3388025 - 10/13/09 08:47 PM

Just so there is no confusion, my followup post above was talking about what happened here in Fannin County, GA, which I posted as a followup on my efforts here based upon what Joe had posted about his efforts in El Paso - I have no idea whether Joe was successful in his efforts in El Paso....

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