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gnowellsct
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Offset saddle position for large SCTs on GEMs
      #3390307 - 10/14/09 11:06 PM Attachment (90 downloads)

Sometimes the subject of tube flexure comes up for large SCTs including C11s and C14s. Some time ago I had a standard AP mounting plate (also called a saddle) on my AP900 with a classic "T" shape: each side of the mounting plate hung equally over the edge of the mount's declination head.

I noticed that the "focus side" or "down side" of my SCT, whose butt rides very close to the axis of rotation on the mount and is a solid casting, had as much support on the dovetail rail as the whole long extension on the other side.

I thought this wasn't a good idea. At that time, AP offered only a "classic T" mounting option for its mounting plate. So I purchased the longest Cassady plate I could, because he was drilling with holes that allowed for offset mounting. When I had the Cassady saddle plate on the AP900 I acutally had several inches more support on the front end of the scope than with the longer AP saddle plate.

This is really what you want to do with an SCT. First off balance will require that you move the SCT butt very close to the axis of rotation. That done, there's no point in wasting the "stiffening power" of your saddle plate on a massive rear casting that is already stiff and can't flex in any case. Use that saddle plate effectively, and offset it!

I have attached a picture of an offset saddle plate on the AP900.

I posted these comments on ap-ug some time ago and perhaps that, along with comments from imagers with heavy camera loads, helped inspire a redesign. AP now offers the DOVELM162 which is 16" long and can be offset. That is longer than the 14" Cassady which seems to me a bit thicker. I can't say which is better, but either is preferable to a "classic T" mounted saddle plate for a heavy SCT where most of the stress is forward.

Even though the AP900 "standard T design" 16" saddle was pretty darn good, when I switched to the Cassady I noticed that the OTA was more stable in the wind. Therefore, I recommend that C11, C14, and other users of rear-end-heavy scopes such as Cassegrains and Maks consider getting a saddle plate that can be offset to give additional support where it is most needed, in the heavily torqued front end.

regards Greg N

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jason_milani
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Re: Offset saddle position for large SCTs on GEMs new [Re: gnowellsct]
      #3390779 - 10/15/09 09:02 AM

They make one for the CGE that can be located in two different positions, and the forward mounting position is the one i use with my SCT as you have shown on your mount.

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Celestron C-14
Celestron C-8
Celestron C-5
Orion/Vixen ED114SS APO
William Optics Megrez 72mm ED
Celestron CGE mount
Discmount DM-4
Mallincam Hyper Color Plus
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gnowellsct
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Re: Offset saddle position for large SCTs on GEMs new [Re: jason_milani]
      #3390967 - 10/15/09 11:00 AM

Quote:

They make one for the CGE that can be located in two different positions, and the forward mounting position is the one i use with my SCT as you have shown on your mount.




"They" meaning Celestron or Casady? I looked at the Celestron web site and it appears that both CGEM and CGE Pro mounts feature a short dovetail mounting plate (saddle) that is symmetrically placed in "T" formation. These dovetail mounting plates look too short to be meaningfully offset to one side or another.

I suspect this is a design weakness. It certainly isn't optimal on a G11 "as sold" and on the two Celestron mounts the saddle plate looks even shorter than on the G11. (But I don't have any measurements).

I would think that these mounts are "ripe" for aftermarket fittings of longer offset saddle plates. A stiffer mounting plate support might have additional benefits too. For example, if it reduces vibration it might actually reduce stress on the system while slewing, in addition to improving pointing accuracy.

Just some thoughts.

Greg N

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bunch o' narrowfield eyepieces
couple o' Barlows
couple o' scopes
couple o' mounts
couple o' tripods
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jason_milani
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Re: Offset saddle position for large SCTs on GEMs new [Re: gnowellsct]
      #3391085 - 10/15/09 12:03 PM

I meant to say Casady. The stock CGE saddle is pretty short as you say.

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Celestron C-14
Celestron C-8
Celestron C-5
Orion/Vixen ED114SS APO
William Optics Megrez 72mm ED
Celestron CGE mount
Discmount DM-4
Mallincam Hyper Color Plus
Baader UV/IR Modded Canon 40D


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