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MacRoberts
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Reged: 08/25/05
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Loc: Redlands, CA
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Post title says it well enough.
I benefit from winged eye-cups and want to find some for my 10x50 FMT-SX binocs. Web and CN searches turn up virtually nothing other than a '05 post by craig_oz_land and I've PM'd him for help. He hasn't posted in a few years and I'm not too hopeful . . .
FWIW, his post mentioned having Fuji OEM winged eyecups for a FMT-SX model, anodized screw-on base and rotation bearing to allow them to fit without having to go through the usual rigamaroll. I've seen such Fuji eyecups once, on a 16x70 non-FMT model (Nautilus ?) for sale at a Scope City outlet in San Francisco. The oculars on that model were not near the same diameter as the FMT models. Don Pensack was familiar with them when I PM'd him about it, but had no information indicating current availability.
Sure would love to find these!
-------------------- Jim
"When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; what is man, that thou art mindful of him?" Psalms 8:3-4
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Erik D
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Reged: 04/28/03
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Check with Baker Marine to see if their Faceshied will fit:
http://bakermarineusa.com/index.php?id=17&cat=38 http://bakermarineusa.com/index.php?id=17&cat=38&prod=138
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BobinKy
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Reged: 04/27/07
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Some time ago I contacted Fujinon customer service to inquire about the winged eye cups. The person I spoke to said Fujinon no longer sold that accessory for the Polaris line, and referred me to Baker Marine (San Diego, CA). I contacted Baker Marine and was told the winged eye cups were no longer in stock. During the telephone call, we discussed the faceshield. I ended up ordering the faceshield and a extra pair of eyecup rings.
Earlier this year, I mentioned the Baker Marine faceshield in a thread and exchanged a few PMs with Gordon Raynor, another CN member who has made the faceshield as early as 1974 for the ocean fishing industry.
The faceshield is a great idea for shielding the eyes of ocean fishermen from salt water as they look through the Fujinon 7x50 binoculars. However, as with most ideas, the faceshield is not perfect. There have been different versions of the faceshield over the years--some better than others.
I use the Baker Marine faceshield on my Fujinon FMT-SX 7x50 to block out neighborhood lights, which it does do with some level of success. One problem that I encounter with the faceshield is how thin the faceshield is across my nose--it has a tendency to crinkle up. I wish whoever molded the Baker Marine faceshield (Gordon did not mold this particular version) would have created more depth in the mold at the nose bridge area. Another problem is focusing after attaching the faceshield, somewhat more difficult than focusing without the faceshield. Gordon made some excellent suggestions for correcting these problems.
Unfortunately, I do not know if the current Baker Marine faceshield will fit a Fujinon 10x50.
-------------------- Bob
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MacRoberts
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Reged: 08/25/05
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Loc: Redlands, CA
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Thanks, Bob, for the information!
Not what I hoped to hear, but enough to keep me from chasing something I'm not going to find.
Perhaps the next best thing might be modifying some aftermarket winged cups to somehow fit around my existing cups. I've seen this done somewhere in a post on CN, so I'll find that post again and work from there.
-------------------- Jim
"When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; what is man, that thou art mindful of him?" Psalms 8:3-4
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DJB
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Reged: 02/23/05
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Loc: Lisle NY
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Hi Jim,
The ringed guards are fairly easy to modify to fit almost any device, provided the diameters are quite similar.
More than once, I have used tie-wraps to secure the guard. But, normally, I usually have to only do a bit of cutting and tweaking, and all is fine. Good luck friend.
Best regards, Dave.
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Gordon Rayner
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 03/24/07
Posts: 967
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There were (are) molds from WW II still at some rubber companies. Please let me know if you find some sources. One source I used is out of business. I do not know what happened to the cup and facemask molds ( still Government property, but long forgotten) which they had. One of the products from one of those molds was a winged eyecup, which was for some WW II Navy rangefinder, as I recall . I might have some yet,and could probably buy some, but have not been active with it for about a decade. There is a minimum quantity to order from the molders, ( if they still remember the product and the mold). There is such an individual winged eyecup(or was) for the Navy 20 x 120 binoculars.
I made Delrin threaded adapters for those cups and for the 2-hole Navy WW II rangefinder Lone Ranger style facemask mentioned above, sold by me and others in EPDM, natural rubber, and various grades of silicone . But with the several variables of diameters and eye reliefs, and the complication of re- focusing(particularly with stretched tight fits), as well as the usually very small quantities wanted by the customer, it becomes questionable to devote time to machining the fine pitch and short threads adapters required for some setups of the rubber cups and facemasks. Small , short setscrews (grubscrews in UK), help for a threadless solution, when applicable.
I did make some adapters for the F series. It is possible to discard the aluminum pushrings, and make all-Delrin pushring-eyecup or pushring-faceshield adapters. There is only a very short male thread available to mate, in the F series. The Navy facemask requires stretching to fit the F and the 25 x 150, and nose relief can be a problem. The original equipment winged rubber eyecups for the Fuji Meibo/Fujinon 25 x 150 trunnion model, and the Nikon 20 x 120 I and II, were hard, and had nose-relief problems, so were little used. I made an adapter semi-production run for the Nikon 20 x 120 I and II. Those give better effective eye and nose relief, and eliminated some serious brass-aluminum-saltwater galvanic corrosion on the Nikons,and on the very early, 1970's Fuji 25 x 150 brass to aluminum eyepiece mechanism. I made some for the Fuji Meibo 15 x 80, and a number for the WW II B&L 7 x 50, various models , as well as the SARD 6 x 42 and the mounted WWII Busch design 45 deg.inclined 10 x 80. There is enough variation the the thread size Schneider vs. Leitz vs. Busch vs etc, to preclude a one-size-fits-all production run. The cups and facemasks , though loose, can often be used on handhelds, without putting grooves in the pushrings.
I made a mold to copy the headrest on the WW II Carl Zeiss 25 x 100. I still have that mold. The foam I used was semi-banned by EPA or OSHA, after the Bhopal incident, or some other snafu. There are, no doubt, replacements, but I have not done any of this sort of production for years.
A more recent solution, which I posted a few months ago,with pictures, is making knife or scissor cut cups and forehead cushions from the foamed tubular rubber pipe insulation, similar to diver wetsuit material, or the lighter PE foam, sold at Home Depot, Lowe's, etc . These are quite comfortable. In the dark, who cares about their appearance? The material is inexpensive, and with a few minutes of trial and error, one can get the appropriate eye distance and wing angle. The cushions are easy: Glue, nylon cord, and wood spacers may help, if needed.
If one were to order some winged Navy WW II eyecups, or WW II facemasks, perhaps 50 each, from a molder, would the astronomy market buy them (solar?), without a lot of onesies and twosies custom machining?
Has anyone an alternate solution or source for the rotary winged eyecups on the B&L Mk. 21 7 x 50? Usually, all that remains of the originals is the cold aluminum rotating ring. Such is the case with one I acquired about a week ago. Its objectives need recementing. That, and the proper recollimation, to say nothing of prism cleaning, when required, takes a big chunk of time. The WW II sealing wax brew, before they switched to rubber seals, requires xylene or toluene(yuk!), together with many Q-Tips, for cleanup in reasonable time. Has anybody tried something else for this purpose? Ultrasonic? Citrus based? The Mk. 21 B&L is tough, lighter than the Mk. 28, and has fine images, at least near the axis. The SARD Mk. 21 may be the same eyecup assembly. I have forgotten, and it would take a few minutes to check this. I do not care for the yellow tint and the setscrew diopter lock, drilled at assembly, on the SARD Mk. 21.
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MacRoberts
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Reged: 08/25/05
Posts: 421
Loc: Redlands, CA
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Dave and Gordon,
Many thanks for the information. A number of good options there that should keep me busy for a while, to say the least. I'm feeling a bit better about coming up with something that works well!
-------------------- Jim
"When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; what is man, that thou art mindful of him?" Psalms 8:3-4
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Gordon Rayner
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Reged: 03/24/07
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I seem to recall that winged eyecups were supplied stock with the the 1970's and '80s Fuji Meibo MT and MT-SX 7 x 50 and/or 10 x 70, (? timeline and nomenclature memory is blurred) in the pre-F era, but that nose relief was a problem, and they were somewhat hard.
Incidentally, the F eyerelief followed a suggestion by me, to match the eye relief of the Zeiss 7 x 50B/GA, which was highly regarded by swordfishermen. But many of those Zeiss cracked at a weak point in one of the hinge lugs. The dies were changed to fix that problem. They should have just copied some of the WW II 8 x 60 .
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