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Scott K
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Reged: 09/13/07
Posts: 1413
Loc: Dallas, TX & Eufaula, OK
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Sunday was the first non-rainy day we'd had in awhile. So I went out to my observatory to replace the DDW control board. I was having this really minor problem - the board didn't know when the shutter was closed. The shutter actually closed just fine - but the DDW board couldn't detect it properly.
Anyway, I replaced the board, and tested closure of the shutter. I watch the voltage readings returned from the DDW board on my computer scrren as the shutter closes - they drop as expected, finally dropping to zero as the shutter motor stops - just as it should. It works now! A simple fix - 10 minutes, and I'm done!
And then I look up at the shutter. The right side cable has popped out of the lower pulley, and the shutter cable is loose. I look up at the motor, and the cable is tangled on the windlass.
Oh darn.
Problems with the shutter are really regrettable, especially when you are inside the dome and can't open it again. It appeared that I wasn't going anywhere anytime soon.
So I reconnected the cable onto the lower pulley, and called my son. (Luckily for me he was visiting this week.) He brought out a ladder while I attempted to re-open the shutter enough to allow the dome's door to open.
Fortunately I was able to get the shutter open a bit, and get my son and the ladder inside. If I hadn't been able to do that, I would've had to disconnect all of the cabling from the shutter, and lift it by hand. That would've been unfortunate, because then I'd have had to fix all of the cables, instead of just half of them. The windlass, the source of the problem, was 4' over my head. No way of reaching it without a ladder.
We then close the dome, and proceed to attempt to fix the windlass.
I have to say that this is the problem I've dreaded the most. The cabling system to the shutter is not terribly complex. However, if you are not familiar with how it's supposed to work, it is difficult to figure out from the dome's assembly manual. (The illustrations of the system just aren't very good.) I've always worried that if I had to re-string the cables and re-wind the windlass, I would spend a good long time working this out. (The reality of this did not disappoint, by the way.)
Anyway, we get inside, loosen the cables at the front of the shutter, and I climb the ladder to the windlass. My first big idea was to try to untangle the steel cable on the windlass and re-thread it on without unwinding it. That really didn't work out so well. The cable immediately re-tangled when we tried to operate the shutter. (I didn't really manage to untangle the cable in the first place.) Although this sounds quick and easy, we spent an hour messing with this. (Stubborn and not altogether bright, were we!)
So we figure that we really need to completely untangle and unwind the cable, and then rewind it onto the windlass, stringing it back up through the pulleys. So my son agrees to get up on the ladder and do this, while I apply tension to the cable at the front of the shutter.
Anyway, we rewind the cable onto the windlass and restring it through the pulley system. This doesn't actually take very long. We only have to move the ladder once (this is a 12' tall ladder, and even in a 15' dome, it's crowded with this inside the dome). Geeze, why didn't we do this in the first place!
So we try it out - the dome opens fine. Yay! Next we close the dome. The opening cable becomes VERY loose while we try to close the dome - so loose it jumps out of it's pulley and drops onto the pulley with the closing cable. Also the close cable continuously wants to jump out of it's track on the windlass, and wrap the next loop of cable.
So we figure there's too much slack on the cable, so we attempt to tighten the cables further. We spend a couple of hours on this, and it's pretty close, but still the cable seems to want to hop out of place on the windlass from time to time. By this point, it's dinner time, we're cold, and fairly frustrated. So we pack it in and close the dome go in for supper. You have to watch the windlass to be sure it doesn't mess up - but hey, at least we can open and close the dome now, if not reliably, then at least before it started raining again...
To be continued!
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nytecam
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Reged: 08/20/05
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Yep - never trust too much automation but glad you got out eventually
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Chris Schroeder
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Scott you are a man of patience, with all that you have gone through with your observatory, I’m afraid if it where me, there be a smoking pile of ruins there
-------------------- Chris
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mikey cee
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Reged: 01/18/07
Posts: 3531
Loc: bellevue ne.
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Scott....If I were the vendor I'd have been out there personally just to keep you from posting anymore positive issues on CNs. Their sales must be up from this testimonial. But hey what do I know. Mike
Edited by mikey cee (10/16/09 10:41 AM)
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csa/montana
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Reged: 05/14/05
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Wow Scott! That would have been a very long Winter, trapped inside the dome 
Sorry for this problem, but lucky your son was there, and able to help!
-------------------- Carol
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Scott K
Pooh-Bah
Reged: 09/13/07
Posts: 1413
Loc: Dallas, TX & Eufaula, OK
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Quote:
Scott....If I were the vendor I'd have been out there personally just to keep you from posting anymore positive issues on CNs. Their sales must be up from this testimonial. But hey what do I know. Mike
Honestly Technical Innovations has been great about everything. Out of over 1500 installations, I think mine is likely the most problematical one.
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Scott K
Pooh-Bah
Reged: 09/13/07
Posts: 1413
Loc: Dallas, TX & Eufaula, OK
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Quote:
Wow Scott! That would have been a very long Winter, trapped inside the dome 
I know! My wife would've finally had some peace and quiet though! Perhaps she was mildly disappointed I got out! (Note I was in no real danger at any time. It was just inconvenient and annoying!)
I'll finish the story in a bit - there's more to tell.
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csa/montana
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Reged: 05/14/05
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Quote:
My wife would've finally had some peace and quiet though! Perhaps she was mildly disappointed I got out!
-------------------- Carol
AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Pentaxes; 5XW, 7XL, 10XW.
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
TV Panoptics; 22, 35
DreamCatcher Dobservatory, #2
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CarolG
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Reged: 10/16/06
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Loc: Oklahoma
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More to tell?!! It seems you have had more than your share of problems, and I hope the "more to tell" has a good ending! Will it never end for you, Scott?! I must admit though,you do keep the "Observatory" forums lively!!
-------------------- Carol
Cor Caroli Observatory
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PGW Steve
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Right about now I would be installing a 'pet door' for emergency egress. Glad you got it sorted out, but if it happens again remember my words above as you sit in silence LOL
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mikey cee
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A pet door?? You've got to be kiddin'! I can say this because I'm 6-2 and 300 pounds.Mike
Edited by mikey cee (10/18/09 02:07 AM)
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Scott K
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Reged: 09/13/07
Posts: 1413
Loc: Dallas, TX & Eufaula, OK
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Heh, I don't need a pet door - there are a couple of ways to get the shutter open - they just aren't much fun. And if all else fails - sawzall!
Sorry I haven't finished this tale of woe - the good news is that I do have things mostly working, and have been out actually USING my observatory the last two nights. Both have been beautiful and clear and moonless for the first time in a couple of months!
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Scott K
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Reged: 09/13/07
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Loc: Dallas, TX & Eufaula, OK
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My son and I went back out to the dome on Thursday afternoon. As we'd close the dome, the opening cable would pop out of track and foul. We spent a couple of hours fiddling with this - we thought perhaps there was too much slack in the cable, so we REALLY tightened it. In the end though, no matter how much we tightened it, it just didn't want to behave properly. (It fouled the last time after we thought - "yay, we're done!" and had put the ladder away.)
So we went back in, had dinner, and took a break from it for a while.
We returned back out later that evening, and I noticed that my son had wound the cables incorrectly. There are two rollers, and the cable is supposed to go straight across, from one roller to the next. My son wound lit like it was a spiral, so the cable would be on groove "N" on the first roller, and groove "N+1" on the second roller. This put the cable at a weird angle, which made it misbehave.
So we rewound it properly, and then it just pretty much worked. I may need to adjust the cable's tension a bit more, but so far it's been working fine.
Just as I was about to test the dome, though, I noticed that one of the shutter contacts was broken. (Again.) So I replaced that on saturday, re-trained the dome, have been back in business ever since.
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Scott K
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Reged: 09/13/07
Posts: 1413
Loc: Dallas, TX & Eufaula, OK
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I cursed myself by posting the "so far it's been working fine bit" - just got down off my 12' ladder after the cable jumped out of it's pulley. So I went to the shed, grabbed the ladder, messed around with it for a while and adjusted the tension when the cable was exhibiting maximum slack. (It was really quite a lot actually.) Maybe this time I have it right - it looks a lot better anyway.
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GrassyPond
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Reged: 02/06/07
Posts: 318
Loc: South Georgia
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Hi Scott, Do you have the "close" spring in place? Also, are you using any tension spring/pulleys near the windlass? I found the "alignment/tension" spring at the windlass to be the most helpfull mod I have done.
-------------------- Turtle Creek Observatory
Joe
12" LX200R
MallinCam Hyper Plus Color
10' HomeDome Automated with LesveDome
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Scott K
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Reged: 09/13/07
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Loc: Dallas, TX & Eufaula, OK
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Could you snap a couple of pictures Joe? I'm not familiar with the alignment / tension spring at the windlass.
The 15' dome uses a somewhat different cabling system than the 10' domes. I've asked Jerry @ T.I. about it before, and he didn't think it was really necessary for the 15' domes. Although in this case the problem absolutely was too low of a tension on the open cable as the top shutter is pulled just to the top of the rear cover.
Scott
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astrotrf
professor emeritus
Reged: 09/30/07
Posts: 709
Loc: Rodeo, NM
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Scott,
I gotta say that reading your Eufodome threads over the past year or so has taught me several things:
1) always be there when they pour concrete
2) don't try to seal a building to a flat slab
3) get a dome with a split door rather than up-and-over sliding shutters
Did I miss anything?
-------------------- Terry (astrotrf)
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GrassyPond
sage
Reged: 02/06/07
Posts: 318
Loc: South Georgia
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Hi Scott, Look under "Newcastle" in the photo section of the yahoo group. I only put in one spring which seems to be working well. I put the spring in place to raise the angle at which the cable enteres the windlass. Due to a mis install on my part I had the angle wrong and compensated with to much tension. To much tension == stainless steel cable SAW. The cable cut into the "wing" nut that traverses the windlass. Oh well, live and learn.
-------------------- Turtle Creek Observatory
Joe
12" LX200R
MallinCam Hyper Plus Color
10' HomeDome Automated with LesveDome
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Timber
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Reged: 11/08/08
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Loc: SW foothills of Mt. St. Helens
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Hi Terry,
I'm not trying to answer for Scott, but it seems to me that along with being there when the concrete is poured that the owner has to tell the concrete contractor "do it my way or leave".
Richard
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Scott K
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Reged: 09/13/07
Posts: 1413
Loc: Dallas, TX & Eufaula, OK
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Did I miss anything?
I think I'm definitely the expert on what not to do!
For sure, if the contractor doesn't want to do it your way, get rid of him. (Helps to know what you really need with certainty, rather than relying on people to know how to do stuff you don't know how to do.)
Other lessons: 1. Always, always, always isolate the pier from the foundation. Always.
2. Consider building a deck rather than a concrete slab with a separate pier footer. The concrete pier footer is fine, but building a slab within a slab is hard to do. A deck also allows you to build slightly above grade, and to potentially level more easily. Also isolation is pretty much automatic if you do this right.
3. If you do pour a slab, make sure the earth has been properly compressed so that the slab doesn't settle. (If you are on a hill with loose sandy soil like mine, see #2).
4. I'm not sure if a split door is any worse than up and over shutters. Shutters are a problem point in many domes.
This thing has certainly been high maintenance, and the mistakes I made early on were real setbacks, but when it all works (and it really does sometimes) it's pretty nice.
I was out in my dome last night, and the winds were 10-15 MPH, and it was fine in there.
Although you'd never know it from reading my threads, I actually did do some things correctly while assembling this. The dome's base is quite circular, and is essentially exactly the proper circumference.
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