Tim L
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Hey all,
Clear skies again last night here in Austin, so I got to spend a few hours in the yard, and found some great stuff!
First, someone mentioned seeing Andromeda and both companions recently, and I wondered if I'd actually seen both (I'd assumed I had). But when I went looking for M110, it was nowhere to be seen. It took a lot of time (and a photo from Harrington's book Star Watch) to help me follow asterisms to the right spot. Once there, I got it! Very faint, had scanned right over it previously, but knowing where to look always helps. I could not make it out at all in my low-power eyepiece--it required 100x before it showed up against the skyglow. Visible at 200x also, but more magnification caused it to vanish again. Score 1!
Second, I just realized a couple nights ago the Cat's eye was still up, and I hadn't seen it yet. This one is not too tough to find (NGC 6543) in Draco, and stands out well in LP. Very cool! At low power, it looked like a halo glow around a bright center, and I assume the bright point in the middle was the central star. Increasing magnification tended to dim the center for me without adding extra detail. Nebula filters made it stand out from the background more, but didn't really add to the detail, in my opinion. I'm sure as I get more chances to look at this one, I'll catch more detail. But for me, it will have to wait until next year. Draco is sliding behind a tree to the north, and last night, I was a little late starting my hunt and had to drag the scope over a few feet to avoid a branch! Score: 2!
Then I thought, as long as the O-III was in, could I get the Veil? YES! I've seen it under green skies, but this was a backyard first! Could only barely get a hint of the western portion around 52 Cyg, but the eastern portion was visible as a slight light band in the sky. I couldn't make out the wondrous filaments like are visible under dark skies, but still a thrill just to catch it. Score: 3!
Then it was off to NGC 7331 (Peg), got it again, and yet one more failed attempt at Stephan's Quintet. I think that might just have to wait for darker skies. No points 
Checked out the Blue snowball again, that one's becoming a favorite for a quick peek--Until the Ghost of Jupiter returns! Already seen--no extra points.
Then on to my nemesis: M74 (cue appropriate nemesis music). I had a better idea of where to look, scanned and scanned, tried different magnifications, still nothing. Went to M33 (Triangulum), last year's big failure, and found it with ease. *sigh*. Back to M74, trying to remember how tough M110 was for me, but still no joy. Ended up having to leave that one, but came in later and made myself a post-it note asterism map to get me to the exact spot next time. That way, at least I'll know if it's possible from here. Score: no points--airball!
Then, ready to pack it in for the night, I decided to do a quick planet round-up...only to discover Neptune and Uranus had MOVED since the last time I checked on them (can you imagine?). I figured they couldn't have got far, however, and a bit of deducing and looking, checking in the atlas turned them both up. Score: 1 point (1/2 point each for finding them again--hey, I can be generous since it's my own scoring system! )
So for the night, that's 4 points total for new stuff, with some extras thrown in, and one big miss.
M74: you can't hide from me forever!
-------------------- Tim
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Jack Tripper
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Overall success for you I would say...I tried but couldn't get M33 before the clouds came. Blue snowball is awesome. I've never tried the Ghost of Jupiter, but since you praise it, that's going high on my list. (Cool name too - won't be forgetting that one anytime soon.)
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Hrundi
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I failed to see stephen's with a 12" in a zone where the veil's both halves were obvious unfiltered, and even had detail.
Granted, I had only two magnifications, x50 and x125 to work with.
Congrats on your successes M110 can be an immense challenge in LP'd skies.
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nobody special
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Sounds like a good night Tim. Been shutdown due to cloudcover for over a week now  I must find the Blue Snowball my next time out, congrats on some of your finds, your way ahead of me
-------------------- Tom
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markan
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Then it was off to NGC 7331 (Peg), got it again, and yet one more failed attempt at Stephan's Quintet. I think that might just have to wait for darker skies.
No points 
I hope to try for this one again myself tonight. I know the limit for my 100mm refractor is about magnitude 12 for the site that I use. I don't know yet what the limit for my reflector is. I think Stephan's Quintet is about magnitude 14. I'm going to try using my 2" Meade SWA 24 mm eyepiece which gives me about a 1 degree FOV. I'll get NGC 7331 in the field and hope the find Stephan's Quintet using it as a reference.
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Tim L
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Loc: Austin, TX
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Sounds like a good night Tim. Been shutdown due to cloudcover for over a week now  I must find the Blue Snowball my next time out, congrats on some of your finds, your way ahead of me
Hey Tom,
Sorry about the clouds! We just got out from under them here. You'll enjoy the clear skies all the more when they return.
You and many other CN posters have encouraged me with your reports of what you've seen, and it is often from this site that I develop my list of what to look for. So if I've been able to encourage you also, consider it just returning a favor!
-------------------- Tim
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Tim L
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I hope to try for this one again myself tonight. I know the limit for my 100mm refractor is about magnitude 12 for the site that I use. I don't know yet what the limit for my reflector is. I think Stephan's Quintet is about magnitude 14. I'm going to try using my 2" Meade SWA 24 mm eyepiece which gives me about a 1 degree FOV. I'll get NGC 7331 in the field and hope the find Stephan's Quintet using it as a reference.
Hey Markan,
If you get it, let us know. You're using your 200mm scope, right? How dark are the skies where you are going?
I wish you all the best and hope you nab it!
-------------------- Tim
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Zhumell 1.25" eyepiece and filter kit
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markan
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I believe I found them. I was using my 200mm Sky-Watcher reflector in a yellow region. I start at Eta Peg and star hop to NGC 7331. Then use that as my reference to star hop to their location.
They looked like a group of very, very faint specs of light. At first I thought I was seeing some very high magnitude stars, but my charting software doesn't show any stars at that location, even with the highest magnitude setting, so I think was was seeing the galaxies. I’m getting better a reaching their location, so I hope to see them again at a darker viewing site.
This is the section of my 45' chart with the 5 stars I used to locate the galaxies. I use Voyageur 4.5 to create my charts. It's rotated both horizontal and vertical.
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JakeSaloranta
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Then it was off to NGC 7331 (Peg), got it again, and yet one more failed attempt at Stephan's Quintet. I think that might just have to wait for darker skies.
I think you're still quite far away from Hickson 92 if you failed to spot M74. I've seen M74 a few times from my suburban backyard using a 8" dobson but never been able to spot Hickson 92 from anything but at least a rural site.
But M74 sure is annoying. Something that is visible in binoculars under dark skies can be completely washed away even in subtle light pollution.
/Jake
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tatarjj
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Keep at it Tim, and you'll get it. It actually takes very strong light pollution (compared to what a truely unpolluted sky looks like) to wash out M74 to near invisibility, but 2 million people will do the trick.
The weather WAS excellent this weekend, wasn't it? I managed to find time to get the telescope out for the first time since June.
-------------------- John T.
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nobody special
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Alright Tim.
The skies are crystal clear tonight and I am going to find the Blue Snowball. wish me luck.
-------------------- Tom
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Dain
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Good luck, Tom! I love that little planetary. To me when searching the field even at 49x in my 8-inch dob, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Scan slow and look for that little blue ball that almost looks like an out of focus star.
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Tim L
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Loc: Austin, TX
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Tom,
I'm a day late--did you get it? Did you get it?
It can be kind of tough to find, but when you see it at 100x, you'll think, "How did I ever miss that?"
-------------------- Tim
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nobody special
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Hey Tim.
Well, I think so. I set up and started to scan the area of sky it should have been in when I spotted a very bright blue star which I'm pretty sure was my target when my wife came out and had to leave. I had to pack it up and go inside to watch the kids.
Forecast doesnt look very good right through the weekend so I may have to wait to confirm my finding.
I located the suspected target on a 25mm eyepiece but had to quit before I could up the magnification.
The good problem I have is a I cannot resist scanning into Cassiopeia first, that region just never ceases to amaze me and I left too little time for my intended target.
I'll keep you posted
-------------------- Tom
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Orion Sirius 25mm
Meade Series 4000 Plossls 32mm 6.4mm
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Edited by nobody special (10/21/09 10:01 AM)
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Tim L
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Loc: Austin, TX
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The good problem I have is a I cannot resist scanning into Cassiopeia first, that region just never ceases to amaze me and I left too little time for my intended target.
I hear ya on that one! It's so easy to just browse from one spot to the next.
You've probably got it, and hopefully it will be easier to locate it next time. Your Hyperion ought to make it look pretty good.
Hope both our skies clear up soon!
-------------------- Tim
Zhumell Z10 dob
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Ptarmigan
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Looks like you had a good observing session. I know the pain of not finding objects you want to see. M74 and NGC 7331 are objects I like to see too.
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Brian Schmidt
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Tim,
I'm hunting down the last of the Messiers after starting them 10 years earlier (don't ask ). I also was unable to find M74 when I was out Sunday Night. I guess it has a low surface brightness. I didn't have my 22mm, so was basically stuck using the 35 as my only low power ep in my LB12. I think that the background was too bright in that ep with the object being relatively near the horizon. We'll get it next time.
-------------------- Brian
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Tim L
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Loc: Austin, TX
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Hi Brian,
Yes, for me, this M74 thing is becoming personal! 
I know it would be a snap under dark skies, but I'm really hoping to be able to get it from home also.
Current clouds, some travel, and the upcoming moon are probably going to make me wait a few more weeks before I can try again, however.
Have you been able to get M101 next to the Dipper's handle? That was another tough one I had to wait to catch at a dark site.
-------------------- Tim
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starrancher
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Yes, for me, this M74 thing is becoming personal!
M74 is a tough bugger . I've been at a pretty decent site , Mag5 or better & through my 8 inch saw a pretty much stellar core with some almost undetectable fuzz around it . OTOH , I saw it last weekend in my 5 inch under maybe Mag 6 skies & it looked much better . I could actually confirm it to be M74 . They don't call it the "phantom" for nothing .
Happy Hunting !
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RobertPL
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Last Sunday I bagged M74 from green skies in my 16x70 binoculars. Now, it was extremely faint---I could hold it with averted vision only about 50 percent of the time. But it was definitely there, I rechecked my observation three different times during the night. The fact that it's so close to Eta Pisces makes it easier to locate (at least in wide-field binos).
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