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revans
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High praise for Takahashi tracking...
      #3399047 - 10/19/09 10:00 PM

Being mostly a lunar person, I haven't really tested the accuracy of my Tak EM-200 mount much in the past. Lately though, I've become more interested in learning deep sky again and have been working for now without an autoguider. I have found, through fairly careful testing that my Losmandy G11 mount allows 5 minutes at FL=600 with a simple alignment using the polar finder scope and without drift aligment and without an autoguider. This is really good... but my Tak EM-200 mount allows a better polar alignment and I think it is probably close to the 2 arc minutes claimed in the manual. Just doing a simple polar alignment using the polar scope and no drift aligning and no autoguider, I can image for 10 to 15 minutes at FL=500 without seeing any significant star trailing.

I think that is fairly amazing... having used a Meade LXD75 mount for years which was capable of 30 seconds of accurate tracking and no more...

Anyway... High praise is in order to the folks at Takahashi !

PS - I didn't use PEC with either mount... just the basics...

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Edited by revans (10/19/09 10:14 PM)


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Re: High praise for Takahashi tracking... new [Re: revans]
      #3399583 - 10/20/09 05:52 AM

guess thats why they're 10X the price of a lxd75

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Re: High praise for Takahashi tracking... new [Re: revans]
      #3399677 - 10/20/09 08:08 AM Attachment (11 downloads)

I simulate a trail of about 4x4 pixels worst case, with

PE= 4 arc sec amplitude (8 arcsec peak to peak)
polar alignment error = 2 arc minutes
f=500mm
t=15 minutes
pixelsize=5.6 microns

Startrails simulator


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Re: High praise for Takahashi tracking... new [Re: amateur]
      #3399901 - 10/20/09 10:42 AM

Interesting simulation... my somewhat old Canon DSLR camera image size is 3072 x 2048 pixels. Do I understand correctly that with that format star trails would only amount to 4 pixels long? Probably I haven't understood correctly? But if I do understand then re-scaling the image to my usual 640 x 480 or so pixel dimensions during processing would produce star trails of only a pixel at 15 minutes at FL=500?

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Re: High praise for Takahashi tracking... new [Re: revans]
      #3399942 - 10/20/09 11:04 AM Attachment (2 downloads)

If you bin to 640 x 480 your pixels will effectively become 3072/640 = 5 times larger and thus the PE and polar alignment trail 5 times smaller expressed in pixels. So 3.5 pixels/5 = no visible trailing at 640x480 at all.

You can simply fill in 35 microns as pixel size (7.4 mu for Canon D60(?) x 5 times binning) to get the same result: less than one pixel drift+PE


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