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Long story short: Saw what turned out to be a QuickSet Hercules with dolly at a school auction. Had an instantaneous brainstorm that this would be perfect for a 210mm achro I have coming in a few months. I now own it. Only problem is that the elevator column appears to be 1 3/4" of solid aluminum. Does anyone know of any kind of head I can put on this thing (as well as where I can get it) that will serve as a platform that will hold a mount?? I would assume that it will have to be some kind of head with a female fitting with a setscrew or compression ring that will rest on and/or around the elevator column. Ideally I would like to put a GEM on top of this thing - either a G11 or SXD. Would appreciate any ideas before I go out and have some kind of Rube Goldberg fabricated that will have be scraped/redesigned/rebuilt at least 5 times before I get it halfway right.
TIA
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Erik D
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I have two Quickset Hercules Tripods. I am using one of them to mount a 6in F8 AP refractor with a Tele optic Giro 2 DX Alt Az head. I paid about $500 for a used tripod and purchased a 3/8-16 Theodlite adapter from Quickset to mount the Giro 2 DX head.(the Giro had can be ordered with 3/8-16 or M10 mounting thread) You can find photo of the Theodlite adapter on page 3 of the pdf here:
http://www.quickset.com/filebin/PDF/hercules.pdf
A 5/8-11 adapter is shown but a 3/8-16 was available when I called.
Parts for Quickset tripod are pretty expensive. I recall paying about $130 just for the adapter in 2003.
I had a lot of help from Tom Pico who wrote a CN review featuring the Hercules Tripod and Giro 2 DX mount:
http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=657
Tom told me he used a 3/8-16 mounting bolt from the bottom of the center column without getting the adapter from Quickset.
I have tested the Hercules tripod by fully extending the legs and the center column and standing on top of the adapter plate. I weighed ~155 lbs then. It held!
I am totally spoiled by having tripods with adjustable geared center column with all of my scopes and giant binoculars. Also purchased 3 lighter wt Samson tripods rated for 40 lb load for smaller scopes.
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A GREAT tripod.
As mentioned, factory parts are EXPENSIVE.
You will likely need to make your own.
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Like Erik, I own 2. Solid and lightweight; I have the long-elevator version. As Erik mentioned, a 3/8"-16 bolt will secure anything you want.
The elevator is a tube, not solid (Tubes are generally more ridgid).
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Thanks for the lead. Before posting, I sent an email to Tom Pico but never received a reply. After a couple of weeks I googled his name and came across an obit on a gentleman who shared his name and location. Can't say for sure it was the same person but my gut tells me it's probably so. In any case, thanks for the lead on the theodlite adapter. If nothing elsa it can be used to secure a plate to the Hercules which can be used as a foundation for securing a mount.
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tim53
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I have one that I paid only $40 for at the Pasadena swap meet several years ago. It came with a head that's kind of hard to describe. An aluminum casting with two disks separated by two thick webs with enough room between them to get your hand in there to attach something to the top, though I don't know what it was made for.
I machined a disk to fit underneath with a hole big enough through it to attach an adapter I made for my Vixen Super Polaris andextension pier. I needed the pier extension because my hercules has a stripped gear in the elevation mechanism, so I can't raise it.
When I last checked on the quickset website, a new Hercules was about $3K, IIRC. I'd hate to ask what replacement parts might cost me.
I used to mount my Jaeger 6" f/10 achromat on the super polaris on that tripod, but these days I use it for my TV NP101is, which is very steady on that beast!
-Tim.
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I have the smaller Samson model. I would remove the center column (easy to do - takes a few minutes) and take it to a machinist. They can put it in a lathe and bore and tap whatever thread you need into the column plug for a small fee.
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TX,
I am deeply saddened to learn of Tom's passing. I first "met" Tom on the Astromart forum around 2003. I had been looking for a heavy duty Alt Az mount and tripod capable of supporting my 6 inch F8 AP refractor for many years. The OTA was delivered to me in 1989. Seven inch OD and nearly 5 ft long with dew shield and diagonal. Sat in my closet for the next 14 years waiting for a suitable mount.
I am strictly a visual observer. Didn't want to bother with the set up and expense of an EQ mount. First learned about the GR DX mount from David N's review here on CN ~2001 but I knew I'd need a much beefier tripod than the Bogen 3036 for my scope. I considered the wooden surveyor type fixed height tripod or the Manfrotto 3058( rated for 44 lbs). Also contacted APM in Germany about their deluxe wood tripod. The dealer for the Giro mount offered a wood tripod with an adapter to fit the Giro. Max ht was about 55 inches. I would be sitting on the ground to observe.
If it wasn't for Tom's advise and encouragement I would not have continued my quest for an adjustable tripod with geared center column. It took me over a year to assemble all the pieces and to find an affordable, used Hercules (with Tom's help).
After a 14 year wait I finally had my dream mount in 2003: A tripod capable of supporting 150+ lbs, tall enough to reach over 7 ft. Best of all, I can view objects from near horizon to zenith while standing and have the EP at the exact height by cranking up the geared center column. No bending, stooping or lugging my 17 lb adjustable ht chair. It's also makes a very attractive, impressive display in my house when I am not observing. I will always to be grateful to Tom.
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I will go thru my files to see if I can find the notes Tom send me about mounting the Giro head with a bolt and washers. But I feel getting the theodlite adapter is also an worthwhile investment. Permits a clean, secure set up with any mount using 3/8-16 mounting base. My 2nd Hercules purchase came with a geared head with a 3/8-16 mounting bolt. I am now using the adapter (~5.5 inch dia) as a mounting platform and a Manfrotto 516 fluid head on a smaller Quickset Samson tripod. That set up should support a ultra giant bino up to the size of the Oberwerk BT 120 mm. (35 lb+)
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Tim,
I took the cover off the elevation gear on the Hercules. Looks like the gear can be replaced without too much effort. I purchased a used Samson for under $100 a few years back. The elevator crank was bent. It broke when I tried to straighten it. Called Quickset and was told the crank assembly had to be replaced as one piece. IIRC, the part cost was $127. It was cheaper for me to purchase another used Samson for parts.
On the other hand, used Hercules tripods are more difficult to came by. I paid ~$500 for my first one Without a head. You paid $40 for yours With a head. That's a steal! You could invest $200 for the replacement gear and still be 50% under what I paid. Just for reference, the heaviest duty Bogen 3058/Manfrotto 162 MK rated for 44 lbs costs close to $500. The center column travel is only about 10 inches.
I suggest you give Quickset a call and find out the cost of the replacement gear. You could wait years to locate another used Hercules tripod for parts but will cost a lot more than $40. ;-))
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<< I will go thru my files to see if I can find the notes Tom send me about mounting the Giro head with a bolt and washers.>> Erik, If you stumble across that information it would be very appreciated as would any information as to how things are mated to the tripod column. I am in the process of making a wood mock up of a platform that will hopefully accommodate a G11, or an SXD as a second choice. Right now it's really a Rube Goldberg design and I have a feeling that I am going to somehow be paying for the Playstation3 the local machinist's son is hoping to get for Christmas.
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tim53
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Don't know if you've seen one of these before, but in the attached pic, the adapter I mentioned above is just visible behind the iOptron hand controller. I'm going to be tidying up my shop later today, so I could take a better picture of the adapter, if folks are interested.
Ever seen one of these before?
-Tim.
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tim53
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Let's see if I can attach a pic from my iPhone
noPe. Will try again in a while
Tim
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tim53
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Okay, sent it to myself, who's self was then able 2 upload it from here...
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Tim,
That's a nice set up. I really feel it will be worth your while to invest in a replacement gear to restore the center column adjustment of your Hercules tripod. Even if you have to pay DoD price to Quickset. ;-)) To duplicate the set up you have (from the pier extension down) will cost $$$$s if you had to purchase new.
I use several Manfrotto and Quickset tripods on regular basis. I am so spoiled by have EP at the exact height I want I can not go back.
I visited the Quickset Stand at NAB trade show about six years ago and requested printed catalog of their 3 tripod models. I may have seen that style adapter in an old catalog but have not seen it for quite a few years. Neither Manfrotto or Quickset offer printed literature anymore. They only have CD Rom or want you to download a Pdf file. Sometimes of the specs are either out of date or incorrect.
I purchased a Quickset Samson tripod used a while back. I knew one of the legs was missing a plastic foot insert before I made a purchase. I thought, no problem. I'll call Quickset and order one. I think their parts dept quoted me $27! for one insert. Then told me it's no longer available!! I had another Samson tripod I was using for parts but could not get the insert off. Went to the local Lowes and found black rubber chair tips in 1 1/4 inch size on sale. Two for $1.99. I bought two packs, fitted all three legs and have a spare.
Thanks to the internet and the CN community we are much better informed these days.
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Tim: If you bought that snazzy piece your pillar is resting on I'd sure like to know where you picked it up along with their phone number. It's about 80% - 90% of what I've sketched out for myself with the major difference being that I'm trying to put together something that will accommodate mounts from at least 2 different manufactures if not more.
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tim53
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Hi Guys.
No, I didn't find the adapter and add it later, it came with the tripod for the $40 total!
You can't see it in the photo, but it had a hole about 2.5 or so inches in diameter on top, so I turned a disk of aluminum with a step in it to use as a thick washer for the GEM bolt to go through and pull the pier or gem down to it. I think I used a simple 1/2" square tube short length of steel to bear the azimuth adjustment screws up to.
If I can find a replacement gear for the elevation mechanism, I won't need the Vixen pier extension. This thing is super rigid, I love working with it!
-Tim.
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Someone promised there`d be answers, if we stayed around."
-Orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark, "The Romance of the Telescope"
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