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The original Fujinon 25x150's mount and tripod are very expensive. Are there some chaep alternatives? Thank you in advance.
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Erik D
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Do you mean this:
http://www.bigbinoculars.com/sirius.htm
or this:
http://www.garrettoptical.com/Garrett-150mm-Binocular-Telescope-p/gt150-45.htm
UA offers a mount for just about any binocular up to 150mm size:
http://universalastronomics.com
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actuary616
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Do you mean this:
http://www.bigbinoculars.com/sirius.htm
or this:
http://www.garrettoptical.com/Garrett-150mm-Binocular-Telescope-p/gt150-45.htm
UA offers a mount for just about any binocular up to 150mm size:
http://universalastronomics.com
For the first one, do I need to buy a tripod. If that's the case, which one is good? For the second one, do they sell mount and tripod individually? Thank you.
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GaryHeath
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WRT: the UA Sirius mount, it's made to be attached atop a G11 tripod, but (IMO) that is a very awkward tripod to transport and even worse to get level.
I suppose a Celestron CGE tripod might work with the Sirius mount. I believe it is the same as the G11 head, but I'm not absolutely positive abut that.
Losmandy sells an adapter that is about 6" high, that allows one to use a Meade field tripod (much easier to transport and level) instead of the G11 tripod, but it has some large tabs welded to it to hold the G11's electronics, that can also be awkward to deal with.
So ...... I bought a Losmandy 12" riser for the G11 tripod, and machined a floor plate (disk) that looks like the head of a G11 tripod and added a threaded hole for the Meade tripod spreader rod to secure it to a Meade Giant field tripod, basically just turning the Losmandy 12" riser into a Losmandy G11 to Meade tripod adapter.
It works very well, and because it (the 12" riser) has a ~4" hole in it's wall, once you are set up it makes nice place to store things inside the riser .... like eyepiece caps, tools, and etc.
To transport the UA mount I use a wheeled hard case-golf bag that holds all it quite well, and I use a wheeled hard case double golf-bag to house my 25X150's.
I will post pictures of all this so it makes better sense.
(IMO): The UA Sirius mount is the best way to tripod mount a large set of binos like the Fuji 25X150's.
Larry's products are very well thought out and easy to use.
Best regards,
Gary
Edited by GaryHeath (10/25/09 02:58 PM)
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Pic 1 of Fuji 25X150 and UA Sirius mount SKB cases
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Pic 4 Fuji case. The bracket around the binos is for my StarCahir. All the padding is form he original box the 25X150s came in. It fits inside the SBK golf case perfectly.
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Pic 5 Modified G11 riser. You can see the cubby hole for storage in this picture.
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Pic 6 Bottom plate machined from aluminum rod stock to fit like the head of a G11 tripod and then drilled/tapped for the Meade tripod spreader rod.
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Pic 7 Cases showing the wheels. MUCH easier on my aging back, to move all this about from garage to van to dark site and back.
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GaryHeath
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The G11 to meade riser adapter fits in the section above the Fuji eyepieces when it's not occupied with parts for the StarChair.
The cases are available on eBay under a search for "SKB golf bag".
Buy it now prices range between $180 to $225 or so.
Best regards,
Gary
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actuary616
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Gary,
Thanks a lot for your explanation! BTW, Can I use Orion Atlas EQ-G tripod for UA Sirius mount?
Michael
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Gary,
Thanks a lot for your explanation! BTW, Can I use Orion Atlas EQ-G tripod for UA Sirius mount?
Michael
probably-just contact Larry at UA and he should be able to make an adapter for the mount and tripod.
I also have the fuji 25x150MT on a UA Sirius P-mount and G11 tripod. I mount the whole setup on JMI WheelyBars. It is a very functional setup for me. The wheelybars are difficult to transport, but not so much the binos, mount and tripod.
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GaryHeath
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Michael,
I'm not very familiar with the Atlas tripod, but from Orion's ads it appears to be very similar to Meade's standard field, and giant field tripods ....... using a long bolt that goes up through the spreader, and threads into the mount's base to secure it to the tripod.
If so (and since the Sirius P-mount is set up to mount to a G11 tripod) to use with an Atlas tripod you will simply need an adapter to go from the Atlas tripod head to the "G11 ready" pivot axel for the Sirius mount, that would be similar to the Losmandy Meade tripod adapter. see:
http://www.scopecity.com/detail.cfm?ProductID=5376
Scott Losmandy may be able to make one up for an Atlas tripod (without the tabs) or Larry at UA might be able to make an adapter that can be attached to the Losmandy 12" G11 tripod extension (I called it a riser before, but it is correctly called an extension) to duplicate a bottom plate like I machined for mine.
I suspect that if you don't have at least the adapter ... and better yet ... the extension, between the tripod's head and the UA pivot axel, you will probably have limited vertical swing of the P-Mount before it's weights hit the tripod legs.
I use my set up on a Meade giant field tripod, and it's fine for kids to adults, with the leg extensions only extended for (apx) leveling.
In the picture of the Sirius mount at the Big Bino's site, Kevin shows the Sirius mount on a G11 tripod that is using the 12" Losmandy extension.
See this G11 12" extension alone, here:
http://www.astronomics.com/main/product.asp/catalog_name/Astronomics/category_name/CUJ52QSW9PGJ9MTQ2QU8593HR1/product_id/EX12
In my experience both Larry at UA and Scott at Losmandy, have been very accommodating when I've needed something I couldn't either make myself, or find off the shelf.
If you already have the Atlas tripod, and it 'does' use a spreader bolt that comes up through the tripod head to secure the Atlas mount, then my best recomendation would be to see if either Scott will add a botom plate like the one on the 'G11 to Meade adapter' he sells, to the bottom of one of his 12" G11 extensions, but with the hole threaded for the Atlas spreader bolt (if different than the Meade size/thread) or Larry would make up a bottom plate for you to do the same thing and allow you to use a Losmandy G11 tripod extension.
In eiter case, you will want the spreader bolt to extend above the bottom plate, so you can use a large washer and nut as "back up" to the threads in this plate.
Also, in use you will want to be sure to extend the tripod legs so they have as wide a footprint as is pratical (enough to have a "tip proof set-up and still be stable).
Then you are good to go .....
Best regards,
Gary
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Edited by GaryHeath (10/25/09 08:44 PM)
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I first came across an in-depth review of the Fujinon 25X150 MT by David N back in 2001. They are the dream stuff for any who loves giant binocular astronomy. Now Consider this for a moment:
1. Someone offers you a very well made, 6 inch F6 Achromat refractor. The scope is new, Mil spec, waterproof, fog proof, the highest quality Electron Beam Coating. But you can only have it with FIXED, 25X eyepiece for Straight Thru viewing. It will not accept 45 or 90 deg diagonal.
2. About 40 inch long, 21 lb OTA. Price is $3,100 USD.
The Fujinon 25X150s is a pair of high quality 150 mm, 25X Achromats joined.
The UA Sirius P mount is custom designed for mounting huge 150mm Fujis. None better. The P mount, counter wts, binocular together weigh ~110 lbs excluding the tripod.
Most adult males in good health should be able to bench press 100 lbs, Squat and lift 50 lbs to shoulder height without much problem.
Here is a way to get a feel for mounting the 150mm Fujis. Go to a fitness store, yard sale. Pick up 5X 10 lbs weights or a 50 lb dumbbell. Load them in a water bucket. Lift the bucket. Now cradle the bucket in one arm, keep it at the same height but take one hand away. You need that hand to itighten mounting bolts.
No problem?
Repeat the exercise on a dark, moonless night at 1 am when it's 29 deg F outside and you are ready to pack up and drive home from a remote observing site.
The landscape of the Ultra Giant binocular market place has change much in the past 8 years. There are other, less pricy alternatives to test the waters for those venturing into 100mm+ binocular astronomy for the first time. :-))
For those who wants to give the 150 mm Fujis and UA mount a try:
http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=631
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Erik,
If I buy that UA mount, do I still need to buy Fuji's original mount? In the picture, it seem the Fuji's mount was attached to UA mount.
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GaryHeath
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No. Mr. Bill (Bill Faatz) had Larry at UA make his Sirius mount up special so he could use his Fuji mount with the Sirius mount.
It's unique (and kinda cool IMO) because he can also look back over the mount's arm, as opposed to just at 90º (+/- swing/yaw) to the mount arm.
You also don't need to lift the 45 lb Fujis to shoulder height, and there is no need to let go with one hand while having to support the weight in the other.
The Sirius mount locks in the down position (about waist height) when loading the binos on it, and uses a sliding block system to hold the binos weight while you tighten the clamp bolts.
It is always better if you get to your dark site to set up while still light, but it is nowhere near as much of an issue to set up as is my AP155EDF refractor on it's AP1200GTO mount.
RE: your other thread question of the Fuji ED's, .......they are not made anymore and at the delivered price difference between them (if you can find a used set for sale now) and the MT's you can pretty much get a StarChair 3000 (see my gallery link for pictures) and still have money left over, with little astro-performance difference on all but the brightest of objects.
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Here's my setup in my backyard.
OBTW....I sold it and am very happy with my BT100s which IMO are as good as the 150s from my backyard which is rated green/blue (SQM 21.5 on a good night).
IMO, the only time the 150s were clearly superior to the BTs (w/24 Pan eps)at Milky Way sweeping is under the darkest skies as in central Nevada (SQM 22)
The magnification (25x) real fov (2.7 degrees) and apparent fov (68 degrees) are the same. The difference is the exit pupil, 6mm for the 150s, 4mm for the BTs with 24 Pans.
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140mm f/5.7 Vixen NeoAchro Petzvel refractor
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Mounted on G11....oh, my aching neck!
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Oberwerk BT100 45 degree +24mm Pans + Hercules fork mount
120mm f/5 Orion achromat + Moonlite focuser
130mm TMB 130SS f/7 APO refractor
140mm f/5.7 Vixen NeoAchro Petzvel refractor
150mm f/8 homemade achromat
8 inch newt with f/5 Swayze mirror
10 inch f/4.7 Orion newt + Paracorr
15 inch f/5 Discovery "Galactic Cannon"
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