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Relativist
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Reged: 10/11/03
Posts: 3081
Loc: OC, CA, USA
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So, I didn't ever get around to buying the 15mm Panoptic pair new.  
Now, lets say I want to finally follow up and get a pair, what's the best way to go about it? Buy a matched pair, or individually?
Is there another good option besides the 15mm Panoptic in a similar price range? I'm thinking the 16mm Naglers are overkill.
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.......Curtis
20mm T2 Nagler, 10mm SW 82degrees, 5-8 SW Zoom:
All of the above replaced with WO Binoviewers!!!
Siebert OCA 1.25x-3.5x
10" OPT Starhunter (flocked & upgraded focuser)
10x50 & 15x70 Celestron Bino's
2" 2x GSO Barlow
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crazyqban
sage
Reged: 12/16/08
Posts: 201
Loc: Miami, Florida
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The 15's are great. You do not need to get a matched pair. Just place a wanted ad in the eyepiece section of amart and you should get some offers. Thats what I did earlier this year. Although slightly more expensive, another option would be the Type 6 Nagler 13s.
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Takahashi TOA-130F / Takahashi Sky 90 II / PST-DS
Takahashi Teegul Alt-Az / Takahashi EM-200 USDII
Zeiss Abbe II's pair / AP/Baader Mark V
Televue 3mm-6mm Nagler Zoom / 41mm Panoptic / Two 24mm Panoptics
Two 15mm Panoptics / Two 13mm Nagler Type 6 / Pentax 14mm XL
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jack45
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 07/07/03
Posts: 2474
Loc: Lacey WA
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How about the 15mm Axiom LX.
Clear Skies!
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16"f/4.5 Discovery Split Tube/TV Paracorr
12.5"f/5 Discovery PDHQ
Orion f/4.9 XT12"Intelliscope
BV's/Bugress Model 24/Stellarvue Model BV3A
TV Smooth Side Plossls,7.4mm,10.5mm,17mm,21mm,26mm
Nagler EPs 9mm T/2,13mm T/1,16mm T/2,20mm T/2,26mm T/5
Axiom EPs 23mm,31mm LX,22mm Panoptic
UO EPs 5MM,6MM,7MM,12.5MM
Baader Hyp 8mm-24mm Zoom
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crazyqban
sage
Reged: 12/16/08
Posts: 201
Loc: Miami, Florida
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Curtis, I just saw a 15mm Panoptic for sale on amart under eyepieces...
Sergio
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Takahashi TOA-130F / Takahashi Sky 90 II / PST-DS
Takahashi Teegul Alt-Az / Takahashi EM-200 USDII
Zeiss Abbe II's pair / AP/Baader Mark V
Televue 3mm-6mm Nagler Zoom / 41mm Panoptic / Two 24mm Panoptics
Two 15mm Panoptics / Two 13mm Nagler Type 6 / Pentax 14mm XL
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jack45
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 07/07/03
Posts: 2474
Loc: Lacey WA
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I'm buying two 15mm Axiom LX at the end of the month. They should work out great, at $179.99 each!
Clear Skies!
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16"f/4.5 Discovery Split Tube/TV Paracorr
12.5"f/5 Discovery PDHQ
Orion f/4.9 XT12"Intelliscope
BV's/Bugress Model 24/Stellarvue Model BV3A
TV Smooth Side Plossls,7.4mm,10.5mm,17mm,21mm,26mm
Nagler EPs 9mm T/2,13mm T/1,16mm T/2,20mm T/2,26mm T/5
Axiom EPs 23mm,31mm LX,22mm Panoptic
UO EPs 5MM,6MM,7MM,12.5MM
Baader Hyp 8mm-24mm Zoom
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Michael Nugent
sage
Reged: 03/05/06
Posts: 307
Loc: Mukwonago, Wisconsin USA
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Hi,
I had the 15mm Pans (bought both new) and they worked fine. The er of the 15's is a tad tight but I never found it to be a big issue for me. I did sell mine and now have a pair of Nagler 13 T6's that I find to be pretty nice (my favs are the 24mm Pans). Almost all of the pairs I bought (except the 15 pans) were either bought one at a time by myself or the person I bought a pair from and I never really noticed any pairing up issue.
Clear skies,
Mike
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Celestron CPC1100 XLT w/ Feathertouch
Stellarvue F80M Finder
Denk II Binoviewer
S2 "Shorty" Power Switch Diagonal
Doubles of:
24mm Panoptics, 19mm Panoptics,
13mm T6 Naglers, 30mm Vixen,
15mm AT Paradigm EDs, 12mm Sterlings,
9mm TMB Planetary, 23mm Stellarvues
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crazyqban
sage
Reged: 12/16/08
Posts: 201
Loc: Miami, Florida
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Mike, which do you preffer, the 15 pans or the 13 nags? Thanks...
Sergio
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Takahashi TOA-130F / Takahashi Sky 90 II / PST-DS
Takahashi Teegul Alt-Az / Takahashi EM-200 USDII
Zeiss Abbe II's pair / AP/Baader Mark V
Televue 3mm-6mm Nagler Zoom / 41mm Panoptic / Two 24mm Panoptics
Two 15mm Panoptics / Two 13mm Nagler Type 6 / Pentax 14mm XL
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rookie
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 01/14/06
Posts: 881
Loc: St. Petersburg, FL
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Hi Curtis,
It's a dilemma!
I could not locate 2 15Pans in a reasonable period of time, even after I placed a wanted ad on A-Mart. I had 2 responses. One person told me he could not bring himself to sell his, and the other wanted new price for used. I ended up buying 2 Nagler 16 T5's. I don't wear glasses for viewing, but if you need to, the Nagler 16's are not the right ep's. If you can get along without glasses, they're very fine. I can just see the edge of the fov for bino viewing.
On the other hand, if you can find a pair of Pan 15's or be patient to get one and then another, you'll have a great set.
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SV
Scope: Celestron CPC8
Binoculars: Garrett GT80~45, Fujinon 16x70, Regals 10x42, Ultima 9x63, Nikon AE 8x40
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Michael Nugent
sage
Reged: 03/05/06
Posts: 307
Loc: Mukwonago, Wisconsin USA
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Sergio,
I prefer the Nag 13 T6's to the 15mm Pans as the 13's have a little better er and of course the wider fov. Nag 16's were also mentioned above, and while excellent eps, as rookie states, they have a tight er (10mm compared to 12mm on the 13 T6's) that may make them too uncomfortable for eye-glass wearers.
Clear skies,
Mike
A nice review of the Nag 13's and 16's on CN: Link
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Celestron CPC1100 XLT w/ Feathertouch
Stellarvue F80M Finder
Denk II Binoviewer
S2 "Shorty" Power Switch Diagonal
Doubles of:
24mm Panoptics, 19mm Panoptics,
13mm T6 Naglers, 30mm Vixen,
15mm AT Paradigm EDs, 12mm Sterlings,
9mm TMB Planetary, 23mm Stellarvues
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crazyqban
sage
Reged: 12/16/08
Posts: 201
Loc: Miami, Florida
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Thank you Mike.
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Takahashi TOA-130F / Takahashi Sky 90 II / PST-DS
Takahashi Teegul Alt-Az / Takahashi EM-200 USDII
Zeiss Abbe II's pair / AP/Baader Mark V
Televue 3mm-6mm Nagler Zoom / 41mm Panoptic / Two 24mm Panoptics
Two 15mm Panoptics / Two 13mm Nagler Type 6 / Pentax 14mm XL
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davidpitre
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 05/10/05
Posts: 1826
Loc: Central Texas
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From what I've heard, the Meade Eyepiece 5000 SWA 16mm are approaching (though not quite) the same league as the Pans . $99. ea
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David
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Tamiji Homma
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Reged: 02/24/07
Posts: 1092
Loc: California, USA
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Quote:
Buy a matched pair, or individually?
I don't think Televue is selling "matched" pair for binoviewer use? I know Denkmeier sells theirs saying "matched pair of" D21, D14 but I am not aware of Televue does that. I guess I just don't know. Unless eyepiece had design changes in different production run, I think it is OK to buy it individually. It must be within their quality tolerance. I have bought a few eyepieces (Pentax XW, Takahashi LE, Televue Plossl, Zeiss) individually for binoviewer. I don't have any issue so far.
I don't have Pano 15 but I do Pano 19. They are great eyepiece with binoviewer. I noticed though that I have reflection issue between eye lens and my eyes more than other eyepieces. It might be individual issue.
Tammy
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jack45
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 07/07/03
Posts: 2474
Loc: Lacey WA
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Keep leaving out the 15mm Celestron Axiom LX. 82 deg FOV better ER then the 16mm T/5 at 10mm and the 15mm Axiom at 13mm. Also the price!
Clear Skies!
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16"f/4.5 Discovery Split Tube/TV Paracorr
12.5"f/5 Discovery PDHQ
Orion f/4.9 XT12"Intelliscope
BV's/Bugress Model 24/Stellarvue Model BV3A
TV Smooth Side Plossls,7.4mm,10.5mm,17mm,21mm,26mm
Nagler EPs 9mm T/2,13mm T/1,16mm T/2,20mm T/2,26mm T/5
Axiom EPs 23mm,31mm LX,22mm Panoptic
UO EPs 5MM,6MM,7MM,12.5MM
Baader Hyp 8mm-24mm Zoom
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crazyqban
sage
Reged: 12/16/08
Posts: 201
Loc: Miami, Florida
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Tammy, there is no issue at all with non-matched pairs of Televues. I spoke to Al about that when I was in the process of purchasing some Televues for use with my binos....
Sergio
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Takahashi TOA-130F / Takahashi Sky 90 II / PST-DS
Takahashi Teegul Alt-Az / Takahashi EM-200 USDII
Zeiss Abbe II's pair / AP/Baader Mark V
Televue 3mm-6mm Nagler Zoom / 41mm Panoptic / Two 24mm Panoptics
Two 15mm Panoptics / Two 13mm Nagler Type 6 / Pentax 14mm XL
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Relativist
Post Laureate
Reged: 10/11/03
Posts: 3081
Loc: OC, CA, USA
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The thing I like about Televue is the support, not that I've ever used it. I looked into other eyepieces, and there is the Meade 16mm and Celestron 15mm Axiom, they would be good alternatives if I can't find a pan, which I think I'll be able to do.
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.......Curtis
20mm T2 Nagler, 10mm SW 82degrees, 5-8 SW Zoom:
All of the above replaced with WO Binoviewers!!!
Siebert OCA 1.25x-3.5x
10" OPT Starhunter (flocked & upgraded focuser)
10x50 & 15x70 Celestron Bino's
2" 2x GSO Barlow
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Jeff Young
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Reged: 08/04/05
Posts: 4122
Loc: Ireland
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I bought a pair of 15mm Pans (individually) off of AstroMart earlier this year. It took awhile (3 or 4 weeks, if I recall), but it wasn't too bad. They work nicely with a Barlow or OCS (which extends the eyerelief just a bit).
-- Jeff.
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Nikon 18x70s / UA Millennium Colorado:
Solarscope SF70 / TV Pronto / AP400QMD Coronado SolarMax40 DS / Bogen 055+3130
APM MC1610 / Tak FC-100 / AP1200GTO Tak Mewlon 250 / AP600EGTO
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larryo
super member
Reged: 05/04/07
Posts: 101
Loc: Deep south
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I have 19mm Pans in my Stellarvue BV3. The DSO views are stunning. Fortunately, I haven't had any reflection issues. They just work great.
Larry
New Orleans
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SV 80mmED NHNG
2.5, 3.2, 4, 7, 8, 9mm BO/TMB
15, 30mm SV
5mm Nagler
19mm Panoptic
30mm, 40mm Paragon
Baader Herschel wedge
CG5 ASGT
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Russ S.
member
Reged: 12/16/08
Posts: 61
Loc: Low Country, SC
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Quote:
From what I've heard, the Meade Eyepiece 5000 SWA 16mm are approaching (though not quite) the same league as the Pans . $99. ea
FWIW, I tried the Meade 16mm 5000 SWA's last spring, and thought they were the worst designed EP's in my modest experience. The views were nice, but I found the bizarre eyecup with small viewing portal made it virtually impossible to see the available FOV. And if you twist-up the eyecup the FOV is decreased further (?)! That was my experience, but I remember at that same time a much more knowledgeable and qualified member also had serious issues with their design (suggest searching this forum for more info if you're seriously considering these).
I opted for Garrett 20mm SWA's instead (same as Agenas) and have been very happy. If you can't afford Pan's, they could be a nice low cost alternative; slim, light weight, $45 ea., and available in 15mm. Good luck!
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Denk II BV & S2 Diag w/PxS
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