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fernando jorge
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ETX-LS... to be or not to be?
      #3410807 - 10/25/09 09:07 PM

Hi! i was considering buying a cheaper telescope (celestron 6SE or ETX-125) but after reading about the miraculous specifications of the ETX-LS I need to ask... what about it? Does it really work? I have read the post ETX-LS reviews but couldn't get final conclusions... Do you owners of the ETX-LS think it works the money, would you recommend it?

Thanks!


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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: fernando jorge]
      #3411380 - 10/26/09 07:59 AM

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Hi! i was considering buying a cheaper telescope (celestron 6SE or ETX-125) but after reading about the miraculous specifications of the ETX-LS I need to ask... what about it? Does it really work? I have read the post ETX-LS reviews but couldn't get final conclusions... Do you owners of the ETX-LS think it works the money, would you recommend it?

Thanks!




They _can_ work. Unfortunately, some early adopters discovered that is NOT guaranteed. It looks as if Meade has cured the problems, but I'd be cautious.

If I wanted a scope like this, I'd look at the LT model, which is the same scope without the self-align frippery. How hard is it to center two stars?!

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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: rmollise]
      #3411390 - 10/26/09 08:09 AM

Unfortunatly, there aren't stores in NY area with the ETX-LT in stock. In fact, I think it has run out stock everywhere. On the other hand the ETX-LS is available in almost every major retailer... If you know where to find the LS in NYC, please post me

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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: fernando jorge]
      #3411524 - 10/26/09 09:40 AM

I am an LS owner, and mine came with the original 1.07 firmware. It worked as advertised right out of the box. I have been very pleased with it. As a 'newbie', I've found the audio vignettes extremely informative and useful while out observing, and I've used this scope FAR more than my previous push-to 6" dob.

Additionally, my father randomy expressed an interest in looking at the night sky recently, and in the same breath gave up as he 'didn't know enough about anything to know what to look at'. I explained that my new scope had a database of items that it could automatically find, and he countered with 'well, that's neat, but I wouldn't know how to set the damn thing up anyways'. As you can probably guess, I was able to gladly tell him that in fact, this scope is self-configuring, and that all he needed to do was plug it in and turn it on, wait 10 minutes and go to town.

He was impressed, and I'll be loaning it to him this coming weekend.

This one instance of being able to include my father in something that both he and I are interested in, but that he felt overwhelmed by makes the purchase 100% worth it, even if I were to never use the scope again.

With all that being said, I will tell you that the GOTO is decently precise, but by no means does each and every single object end up dead center (or even sometimes within) the 26mm eyepiece that came with the scope. I do have a 41mm plossl that I use frequently and I've never had anything end up outside of it, but occasionally something will end up on nearer to one edge of the field of view, and it will need to be brought in.

I find that high precision slews option to be useful in this regard. You select an object, and the scope first slews to a bright star near the object. You center that, and then it slews on over to the actual object you want to view. This is nice because it makes for far more accurate GOTO for dimmer objects, and the stars that it chooses are always easily discernible as the brightest within the FOV.

I was a bit intimidated at first by the requirement to 'Center APH ECG' or something, but in practice, it is very simple to use.

All in all, I would definitely recommend this scope based on my experiences with it. I would skip the ACF coatings though as I don't think they are worth the money after reading lots of commentary here. Save that money for some nicer eyepieces.

Hope this helps.


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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: brobak]
      #3411669 - 10/26/09 10:57 AM

It's a nice scope and easy to use as advertised. There are quite a few reports of people who have received defective scopes. Of course this is the internet and you usually only hear the negative. If people buy a product that works as advertised they usually don't go posting about it "hey, it works!"

I posted a decent amount about mine in the now locked reviews thread. Everything is high quality and you can even do simple (1 min or less) astrophotgraphy with it.

The self alignment is convenient for when you're setting up. First I'll bring the scope out, turn it on and let it do its thing while I go get my accessories and chair (and warmer clothes if necessary) and by the time i'm out and ready to go the scope is done or finishing up. A big problem a lot of people have with their scope purchases (if they don't have a permanent observatory) is that when they first get the scope they use it every night they can but then as time goes on, they get lazy. The scope is either too big and cumbersome to move or a pain to setup in the dark. The scope gets used less and less. Whereas with a smaller and simpler scope you will guaranteed use it more often and see more with it. If it's a clear night, I tend to use mine every time for at least an hour or two. If you're newer to astronomy the LS will help you learn the sky quick too. The audio stuff is nice and the speaker can be turned down to a very audible whisper so you won't be disturbing neighbors or anything. The 6 inch aperture is big enough to see a lot but small enough to not strain your back every night.

A lot of what I said can be applied to the Nexstar or other similar scopes, but if the self aligning and audio presentation appeals to you, go for it. If not, save a few bucks. The general attitude among seasoned amateur astronomers isn't very positive for the LS. I know this just from various forums and even my local telescope shop. I imagine they all felt the same way when Go-To first came out many years ago, like it was somehow taking away from the hobby or an unneeded expense. Some do realize what tech like this does for general interest in astronomy though. I just hope it gets onto cheaper scopes, the ones newbies tend to buy. I have a friend who bought a cheap go-to scope a couple years ago and never got it to work properly. It advertised on the box that it did all the work, but really it didn't. He didn't see anything more than the moon and jupiter with it. After seeing my LS he is going to try and get himself one for x-mas.

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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: fernando jorge]
      #3411987 - 10/26/09 01:38 PM

I have had my LS since late June and it worked well right out of the box. I messed up and fried my autostar and had to send the scope back in as I could not find a Mini SD disk that would work in the scope to reload the software. Meade turned the scope around in 1 month, updated the software and tweaked the GPS antenna as well. Now when I turn it on by the time I have set up my laptop and other accessories, it is ready to go. I also found a mini SD disk that works now so I should be able to reload software if I mess up again! The optics are excellent on this scope, and since it is so portable I use this scope more than any I have had before which have both been 8" (one I ground the mirror on the other a Meade Dob). If you are new to astronomy this is a great scope. If you use to have a larger scope and just haven't used it because of the hassle of setting it up, this is a great scope. If you want to dabble in astrophotography with a CCD camera, this scope allows you to take decent shots of the planets and bright nebulae, galaxies and clusters.

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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: kabes]
      #3412002 - 10/26/09 01:44 PM

The next grab and go scope that I will buy will be the LS.

I can attest to the accuracy of the higher end scopes like the LX and Celestron scopes. My question is: "does the LS have the spiral search feature" like the ETX and LX scopes?

This is VERY handy to find objects just outside the field of view. Saturday afternoon I used this feature to locate Jupiter before the sun actually went down, and before it was actually visible in the sky.

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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: rigel123]
      #3412094 - 10/26/09 02:15 PM

Quote:

If you want to dabble in astrophotography with a CCD camera, this scope allows you to take decent shots of the planets and bright nebulae, galaxies and clusters.



Nothing unique about the LS here ... virtually ANY scope with tracking will offer you the same capability. The built in imager on the LS is for alignment and the occasional shot of a constellation or asterism, not planets or DSOs.

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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #3412142 - 10/26/09 02:37 PM

Quote:

I can attest to the accuracy of the higher end scopes like the LX and Celestron scopes. My question is: "does the LS have the spiral search feature" like the ETX and LX scopes? This is VERY handy to find objects just outside the field of view. Saturday afternoon I used this feature to locate Jupiter before the sun actually went down, and before it was actually visible in the sky.



I've been thinking about this feature for a while. A few years ago I used it with some success (the NexStar Observers List s/w has the feature) when framing very faint DSOs (beyond visual range) for imaging. I hadn't used the spiral search capability for a while and I wondered why. It seems that over the past few years my ability to perform a very accurate alignment is improving, plus the alignment capabilities of my scopes has gotten more accurate as well (through firmware changes).

I simply found that with an accurate alignment (and subsequent gotos) that there was no longer any need for the spiral search.

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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: mclewis1]
      #3412416 - 10/26/09 04:38 PM

I honestly do not think of these "LS" scopes as beginner scopes... Just way too expensive to fall into a group that I would call beginners telescopes...

It takes a strange type of beginner (RICH SUCKER) to spend close to $2000.00 as his or her first scope and a few extra eyepieces in my opinion...

Specialized grab and Go ... then maybe ...

Bob G.

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Meade LXD 55 ...AR-5 127 mm Refractor
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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: Bob Griffiths]
      #3412718 - 10/26/09 07:21 PM

I think it's a pretty cool telescope. Especially the "grab & go" niche that I think it fills! If I actually lived in a house, I would get one. It seems like it would be great for a quick observing session.... Bring the scope out, start alignment.... Then grab eyepieces and a chair, and by the time you're back, it's all ready to go. Not any trouble for even a 1/2 hour session. Oh, to live in a house!

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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: RonBurgundy]
      #3412771 - 10/26/09 07:42 PM

This web page may be useful for LS owners. Apparently you need to take a dark frame (calibration) whenever you update the firmware.

See this:
http://meade.com/lsupdates/updates.html

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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #3418442 - 10/29/09 02:57 PM

I have had my ETX-LS for three months now. It never did come close to alignment out of the box. I did align it manually and it performed well. The optics are really really good. I sent the scope to Meade for repair. After 4-5 weeks, they sent me a replacement. I have recently flashed the handbox with the latest firmware and the scope locates and aligns the perfectly. I turn it on and 10 minutes later it is ready to go. I chose this scope to take out to the field as my LX200R is too heavy to continually break down and transport and reassemble. The ETX-LS is much lighter and portable. Even though lighter, the ETX-LS is solidly built. I do not have any problem with the one-arm yoke. I did purchase the AC adapter because it burns through batteries. Under AC power, it is quieter and seems to be faster. The camera that is built in is for alignment purposes only. You can take a far field photo of stars or constellations, but that's all because it is fixed focus. I use the Meade LPI and the Orion StarShoot cameras. I am quite satisfied with my purchase.

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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: rigel123]
      #3419563 - 10/30/09 03:29 AM

Nice to have some positive remarks
Quote:

If you want to dabble in astrophotography with a CCD camera, this scope allows you to take decent shots of the planets and bright nebulae, galaxies and clusters.


Any sample pics posted on the 'net'

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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: nytecam]
      #3420245 - 10/30/09 01:47 PM

I have some pictures posted at http://rigel123.webs.com that I have taken with the LS. I'm a beginner at this!

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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: rigel123]
      #3420287 - 10/30/09 02:10 PM

BEGINNER! Do not be ashamed of those nice pictures!

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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #3420432 - 10/30/09 03:34 PM

Thanks! Practice, practice, practice! My next project is doing a better fitting on a solar filter (complete aperture) that I obtained from Orion on the LS. The brace that holds the main tube is a little close to the tube at one point and makes it tough to situate the filter on the front of the scope. I assume if I mess with the allen wrench screws on the front to bring that brace out a little bit I might screw up the alignment of the whole scope. Anyone been brave enough to mess with those yet? I can get it on and secured but I have to kind of wedge it under the one spot.

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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: rigel123]
      #3420498 - 10/30/09 04:16 PM

Figured out the solar filter. Just needed to strip the cushion off the inside of one section between the lock screws and it slides on easily now. Now if there was only some activity to look at! Give me one little sunspot!

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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: rigel123]
      #3420622 - 10/30/09 05:50 PM

I think it depends of what you want. If you dont want to do some time doing the aligment, let it by itself and use it most of the times for visual use then its fine, if you want to get your hands inn for AP then i would not go for the LS even with all the bells and whistles, yes it can do AP but for the novice, want better pics then look for something else.

For visual and very light AP work it can do it fine, for more medium to expert AP look for something else.

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- C6 ASGT
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Re: ETX-LS... to be or not to be? new [Re: rigel123]
      #3420993 - 10/30/09 09:54 PM

You took all these images with your ETX-LS and not with your 8" DOB? Can you give us some idea how you did this? How many images you stacked, how much post-processing, etc.

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